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here is an idea. rig up a peltier system. http://www.melcor.com/teccover.htm sells them.

basically one side gets extreemly cold, and one gets extreemly hot. so the cold side could just basically cool the water/ charged air for you.

also, i had an idea to rig up a peltier box. basically, its a charge pipe, that has be made into a box with smoothed and tapered, rounded ends. all 4 sides that are flat, i will stick peltiers on the outside. and the inside i will stick heat sinks on the inside. obviously, the peltiers cool the air soo fast, that the air, and any serface that touches it , gets frosted almost instantly.( i had my pc compleetly prosted in about 5 secconds).

also, the frost sublimes rather quick, and that sublimed condensated water has a really good cooling effect. ( basically ( when ice sits in your freezer, it still evaporates, this is called sublimination. but the evaporated water is really cold)).

so yeah. i hope i wasnt too vague. o yeah, the hot side of the peltier just gets only 250+ degrees celcius. if the hot side gets that hot, just immagine how cold the cold side gets?????? lol


just a thaught. ofcourse, you need power supplies, and a shitload of other junk.

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hmmm. That would eliminate the need for an intercooler, and it sounds like it would work as well or better. Interesting idea. I never put one of those in my PC but it always intrigued me.

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Dude I say go for it. Sounds like a great idea and should work better than an air/water intercooler.

Question, would you have a toggle switch for it or would you keep it on at all times?

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Hrm that would work. Just as long as theyre reliable. Those things get pretty damn cold too.

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well, i know how to rig up a voltage regulator based on heat. so i could rig it up to something so that it would cool better under hotter situations and cool less in colder situations. also, it could be used as an oil or tranny cooler. just use a copper block, with a nice path for it to travle, and solder/scre another plate ontop of it. put two peltiers on it, and you have the best freaking oil cooler around.

also, i think they are pretty reliable, since the technology is soo minimal. its just two metals touching, and thats it basically. send a charge through them , and blamo. also, i remember reading an articcle about compresed air being used in some type of gun where it creats a vortecs, and the air actually freezes cus of this vortex, and the other end lets out hot ass air. hm... this sounds interesting.

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The only problem I see right away is that when it sits after running and defrosts, all of the moisture it has pulled from the air is going to turn into water, right? and water is not something you want in your intake.

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Actually water in small quantities is ok. Ever hear of water injection?

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heh. exactly. since it wouldnt be a flood. just a couple of droplets.

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man i need to watch my spelling. lol. i hope yall are able to understand what i am talking about.

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So you are going to run current thru it all the time? Won't this kill your battery?

I've heard of water injection, but I don't really know anything about it. I know a small amound of water won't hurt, but a large amound will lock up the engine. I have no idea what the threshold is, or how much a peltier system would produce. I don't think that a 400cc space with a 9.2:1 or so c/r would be happy with much of anything in there...

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no. turn it off when the motor turns off. obviously. thats what solar cells are for!!! also could be used for a getto air con!!! lol. no compressor needed!!! also, it isnt good to touch a peltier, since you get stuck to it and burns like hell. when its on ofcourse.

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but seriously. there arent any flaws regaurding the peltier and the while setup. now with the electrical is what is the problem. thoses things need allot of watts. all togeather probobly like 1k watts. just two 550 watt computer power supplies, and another battary, and a couple ac/dc 300 watt converters. probobly 3 would work best. lol.

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hm... the hot side of the peltiers is a problem. hm... thats where water cooling comes in i guess.

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from what ive read, those things suck a lot of current, and youll need a few of them to do any good.

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So the power supply is the downfall? That sucks. Don't they make those with 12vDC feeds so you wouldn't need an inverter? Also, if you are worried about the water in the intake, you could use this to just cool the water in an air/water intercooler. You could keep the water ice cold at all times and never have to worry about water in your intake. Sounds cool. Hopefully someone will try this out soon? ;)
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it would freeze the water and pop goes the intercooler.

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No ----? It gets that cold? Hmmmm...maybe if you put it in an icebox type setup an ran some charge pipes through it? I'm just thinking of a way to not introduce water into the cylinders even though it is minimal.
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thats the whole point. yes it gets that cold. thats my whole point. did you read my top post?? its basically an ice box, with a bunch of heat sinks. they will freeze, and all the surfaces of the heatsink with have frost. now air will pass trhrough this, and collect the forst, or the cold air, and go into your intake. blamo, -50 degree air into your motor.

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Uh, yeah why? You said nothing about it being too cold to put it in water. You also said that you knew how to rig a thermostatic switch to turn it on and off at certain temperatures. I figured you could have it turn off before the water reaches it's freezing point. You could use anti-freeze so it doesn't freeze as fast also.
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no, depending on how hot something is. thats what i ment. so the hotter something is, the more voltage, and visa versa. but it wouldnt completely shut it off. also, actually putting it in would be weird, since one side would boil, and one side would freeze.

i wouldnt put it in the water. i would use some alchahol in the water just so as not to make it freeze. just think. frosty beer while street racing. lol. wait. bad idea.

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I guess I'm forgeting that you can't seperate the two elements. You would need soemthing special built for that to work.

Why not just use a relay with a thermostatic switch so when it gets too cold it turns completely off until it reaches a higher temperature. I dunno? I'm just throwing things out there.

Frosty beer would be nice. ;Dhttp://www.frioseg.cl/~anfrey/forums/beer.gif
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nah, it wouldnt be too power full to just simply cool the water. its hellpowerfull to cool the air though. like i said, the colder the intake temp, the lower the voltage. the hotter the intake temp, the more the voltage. its not that hard at all. really, its like 5 or 6 components. but it would have to be able to handle a crapload of watts. hm... i would have to hask some nerd over at virtual-hiedout to rig me some schematic in order for this to work. or i could have a time delay, where its on for 5 minutes, and off for 5 minutes. or depending on the throtle voltage, it will go up in voltage. like on the afc. like if its on 100% throtle, its working 100% and so on. ill think of something. dont worry.