max power made on stock internalls d16
 

hi guys, noob here! im new to honda but have been tuning/drag racing a small french car for some years and know my way around turbo cars just fine.
i have a question im trying to find some clarity on, id be gratefull for any help.

im trying to find the most powerfull proven d16 on full stock internalls, i.e pistons/rods/sleeves/head everything.
im currently collecting bits for a d16, and am keen to keep the internals stock to prove it real limits, i cant stand changing things on "hearsay" its not my style, and i did very well in the with my other project on full stock internalls much to the supprise of people saying certain componants are only good for xxxbhp.

no predicitions please, and im only really interested in trap speeds, as im sure you know as well as me rollers are hit and miss with figures.

thanx team, like the site, its deffo what im about, thinking rather than just throwing money and hoping. ;)

Re: max power made on stock internalls d16
 

so what bits have you collected.. and what chassis is this going into?

Re: max power made on stock internalls d16
 

hi, just turbo and manifold. (cheap ebay cast mani, and kung-foo turbo ;) (57trim, to4e) i realise the turbo may fail premature but im willing to risk it for the price, plus its not my daily car, just a drag project. and on my last car and had a few garretts fail so i believe turbos (when worked hard 30psi+) arnt reliable full stop! though i did purchase a garret gt series (bb core) in the end which was strong, but im not spending that again. as for chassis i should be picking up a 94` civic esi tommorow. not sure if you have this model in the states (im in the uk).

Re: max power made on stock internalls d16
 

drag project and ching chong meow dont belong in the same sentence ;D

Re: max power made on stock internalls d16
 

im sure youve heard of jfk on the turbod16 site.....

Re: max power made on stock internalls d16
 

When people are boosting stock engines that have 160k on em and are 10+ years old there are too many factors to say what the highest level attainable is.

If you did a full rebuild with OE parts who knows what it would be. If you want a lot of power then spend the money if not, then just stay low on the hp

Re: max power made on stock internals d16
 

Which D16? Vtec or Non? There have been guys claim to reach 200 with stock guts but don't expect that to last long and Hondas are way different from your french car. Say take a Dodge V6 with stock cast pistons and detonate for months on end no worrys... Detonate that stock aluminum Honda piston once and see ya. Tuning is everything but you can only tune those little weeny honda parts so far they have limits. And I am a Honda guy I love the damn things but lets face it those engines are like little paper engines. I wouldnt suggest drag racing paper machete or using any of that cheap crap on Ebay.

Re: max power made on stock internalls d16
 

it all comes down to your tune. Ive run 12lbs on my d16a6 for 3 years. 60/48 turbo ftw!!!!!

Re: max power made on stock internalls d16
 

define stock internals.....my vitara/ls rod d16 has stock internals ??? just not stock d16 internals
it will go in my sol once the b20 kicks it

Re: max power made on stock internalls d16
 

thanks for the reply peeps, but noones telling me anything ive havnt found by searching. i dont want opinions, only facts please.

the fastest/most powerfull d16 (v-tech or not) full honda internalls. or at least the fastest member from here with full stock setup?

thanks again, ant :)

Re: max power made on stock internalls d16
 

400hp is the most I have seen on a oem stock block with arp head studs( or so they claimed). Look up Epic tuning(sp) they said it was all stock. 200hp is a good safe level to stop at, 230+ is pushing it on a good tune.

Re: max power made on stock internalls d16
 

LMFAO... stock "block" maybe.... internals wont make it past 220

Re: max power made on stock internalls d16
 

there are no facts idiot.

noone knows how your beat to ---- engine will respond, every engine is different.

again another case of hmt changing, still more ------ idiots joining.

did xeno put an ad up in hondatech or something????????

Re: max power made on stock internalls d16
 

How can these informations useful? Why the hell do you want to know that? It will help you to build your engine? There are b18 with 700hp, but how can this info help me to build a drag car? I'm lost I think...

Re: max power made on stock internalls d16
 

http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=2104408

Epic Tuning EF hatch:

Re: max power made on stock internalls d16
 

EpicTuning:

Re: max power made on stock internalls d16
 

That was after they made almost 400 on stock internals...unless you have proof otherwise? I saw that car at a local meet a few years back before it was 4wd very impressive...and with evans tuning it, the numbers seem obtainable...i mean its a stretch...the guy told me it was a stock internal rebuild z6


http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1722429

Re: max power made on stock internalls d16
 

proof about what? ???

Re: max power made on stock internals d16
 

NEWB, don't post if you don't know what you're talking about. Detonation on any cast piston is going to result in failure. And there are plenty of stock d16's run at over 200hp daily that are perfectly reliable. I would say that 200 on a z6 is a fairly conservative number with a good tune.

Re: max power made on stock internalls d16
 

though you were saying epics z6 wasn't stock when it made 300+

Re: max power made on stock internalls d16
 

thanks for the link loserkidwac, thats what i was getting at :)

that makes you look a little silly edge "220 max stock internalls"comment.

and 13th round, please dont respond on my thread again, there is no need for childish ---- like
that, weve never spoke, so why the hostility? its is not a stupid question i asked, all i am trying to obtain is ACTUAL runs made using full standard honda internalls so i know roughly what to expect(i.e if lots of people had melted pistons at xxxhp etc)and im certainly no idiot as i will prove later in the year with my results.

were all here for the same reason surely, lets the drop the silly comments.

if you dont know the answer to my question, just dont reply, its simple.

and again, thankyou for the info from the helpfull people.

Re: max power made on stock internalls d16
 

if you want to know what the max is there are 2 ways
google it or the hmt way and just find a cheap 16 throw a turbo on and tune it throw it in any random chassis and put it on the dyno and keep turnin up the boost until you see rods and oil everywhere or the turbo can't push any more boost
i think that if you did this and had a live webcam and you could put money on howmuch boost when i blows that would be cool
but in general if you want to know what the max is you gotta do it until it blows then you know where the line is

Re: max power made on stock internalls d16
 

So you dont want hearsay but you want our hearsay on it? How will this help you at all. your request is very contradictory and personally you dont know dick about this site judging from your tone. Had you read a few posts you would understand that this is a site that does not tolerate retarded Honda-tech style hand holding. the D16 has been boosted many times if you cant find a "benchmark" or something similar for whatever comparisons you want then you sir are a failure. If you have searched Google then what the hell do you expect this website to show you?

they commonly fail over teh 225 - 250 range but there are many factors and many exceptions. who cares. go try if you make 300 great guess what, no one will really care and someone else has for sure done it before. so what did you prove.

Re: max power made on stock internalls d16
 

Damn noob learn to keep shut when a og talks around here. I said clear as day only one I seen with high numbers on a "100% stock block" was Epic tuning(sp).

Most people have a hard time keeping the stock block in one pice if its over 230hp in a DD car. If its only a weekend car it might last longer. Other wise max would be 230hp

Re: max power made on stock internalls d16
 

Like said before My hearsay would be 250 hp reliable WITH A GOOD TUNE!!!!!

Re: max power made on stock internalls d16
 

you didn't get what i said a synopsis of what i said is
there are to menny factors as to the amount of power possible out of that particular engine such as wear, carbon buildup, how close the parts were from the factory and ect. ect. so the only real way to find a number as to howmuch power that particular engine can make on boost is whatever the dyno reads just before it blows up
my guess would be in the range of 225-230whp before the rods give out but i have only worked on a couple d15's and have never opened them up so i don't know much about the strength of the rods i if i am not mistaken they are that powder metal thus they are the weak link

now what is controdictory about that?

Re: max power made on stock internalls d16
 

ok thanx guys, i think there is still some confusion here, i really dont want opinion "250hp on a good tune" etc, and i deffo dont want a debate, all i am looking for is specific examples, like the epic tuning car, if you dont know of any please dont respond. i can make my own opinion, you may believe its an un-educated opinion which is fair enough since im a "noob"

thanks again, ant :)

Re: max power made on stock internalls d16
 

dude if you have the v-tech block your all set for 800whp
but if you have the vtec block then your fucked..

Re: max power made on stock internalls d16
 

Post pic's of said small french car.

Re: max power made on stock internalls d16
 

Confuzed you = epic fail again. I quoted Ant cause i was talking to him. Like most of your posts I didn't even read what you wrote to tell the truth lol.

Re: max power made on stock internalls d16
 

small french car is a renault 5 gt turbo, (dont think you had them in the usa?) its uses a very very old and basic engine
1397cc, 8 valves, push rod setup, with a carb.(very similar to a mini a series) so not high tech at all, and worse still very un-reliable even in standard form,
so when raising boost became really un-reliable, yet me and some friends managed to tune them with lots of trial and error, testing, pushing the limits of what people believed to be max levels, and starting putting down some impressive times 11.9@120, remeber this is a 1397cc 8v carb motor! and all this on 100% standard internalls, that were weak to start with, or so people would tell you.

Re: max power made on stock internalls d16
 

Man I remember seeing some of those when I was in Colombia, but I don't think they where turbo. Man what a POS of car. I rode in one it felt like a coffin with wheels :S BTW POST PIC'S.

Re: max power made on stock internalls d16
 

yeah there not known for there build quality, but fun cars, raw! ;D

just google r5 gtt for pics

e
 

Weve been detonating a dodge V6 for months and it hasnt gone yet. Ive been working on cars for 27 years so I am not new to ----. ---- OFF

Re: e
 

and how much cyl pressure is there in that super high tech 3 liter 6? come on dood, for someone workin on cars that long, that was a dumb comment. detonation under boost and detonation without boost are two totally different things. one makes ping and rattle sounds, the other vents the front and/or back of engine blocks, catastrophically of course.

fyi 400 whp on a stock block is the exception, not the rule.

Re: max power made on stock internalls d16
 

yea i would have to say anything over the 2 mark your doin good with stck inter. and even high comp. or boosted "with a tune" they are finicie one bad tank of gas and its game over. without a knock G.

Re: max power made on stock internalls d16
 

220-230 is the number you are looking for, Any thing over that is where your rods will meet the epic fail point.

Also IMO Jeff Evans is a good tuner, but every car that comes off his dyno makes more power than anyone else. I think his dyno reads high.

But then again as you mentioned before, you may be magical like Jeff and you too could possibly make 400 on a stock D16 :1

Re: e
 

And how good can you be with cars if yours has been experiencing detonation for months? Suck my chocolate salty balls, bitch. Post some porn to redeem yourself.

Re: e
 

Yeah I'm a tilesetter so I'm busy making $100+/hr. but yeah I ain't working on a pos dodge I've been busy working on my turbo zc

Re: max power made on stock internalls d16
 

I done 281whp/237tq on a dyno dynamics at 15 psi on a t3/t4 57 trim /w .63 ar turbine. Stock bottom end with only a skunk2 stage 1 cam. Later snap the rod and put a few holes through the block. It was fun while it last though.