larger or shorter gearing for turbo cars?
would a trans with larger gears be better then short gears for a turbo setup?
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Re:larger or shorter gearing for turbo cars?
depends on if you use it for the street or the track
I ve had both a dx and ex tranny on my civic and my fastest times were with the longer geared dx |
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Is that because you didn't have to shift as much?
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there are lots of factors... if you have great traction. shorter gears are always better. but i guess if you get better traction with long gears then you'll run a better time... because of the traction.
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With the dx tranny i was able to stay in third until 107mph so i only had to shift twice at the track
1st-36 2nd-62 3rd-107 |
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hey i have a cx tranny that i herd was good for turbos, u think that will be good,
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also allows to build more boost in 1st and 2nd.
on si trannys boost usually goes up w/ the gears. Si Example. 1st 5psi 2nd 6psi 3rd 8psi the gears are so short in 1st and 2nd that the engine is at redline b4 the turbo can spool up completely. |
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The ideal gearing will have you crossing the finish line at redline. You want something that will keep you in the power band with every up shift. I think on my gsr with each shift I drop to about 5500rpm.. you want something that will keep you up in the power band.
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So the HF tranny probably wouldn't be it huh?
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Re:larger or shorter gearing for turbo cars?
Originally Posted by Todd
The ideal gearing will have you crossing the finish line at redline. You want something that will keep you in the power band with every up shift. I think on my gsr with each shift I drop to about 5500rpm.. you want something that will keep you up in the power band.
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True nough, people use longer gearing to get traction and stay in boost longer, BUT if you could get traction with the closer ratio tranny then you would be alot quicker.
The only need for super long DX tranny or LS tranny gears would be for cars making 350+HP Hondas. You would have so much power that your long gears would feel short because you have so much power for the longer gears to benefit you. Just practice on your launch, stiffen your suspension, and get good sticky tires and you will appreciate the close ratio tranny. |
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Your tires can effect your gearing by quite a bit too. When I go racing with my brother ( modded Z-28 ) he loves to see imports with 17'' rims, its like a garentee that the import is toast in 1/8, and it would take one hell on a honda to run alomst any newer z-28 down.
Low profile tires = bing bing and spin smaller rim and bigger tire = more traction and a lot less bing bing. |
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Ya thats pretty true about the 17's, i am going to be running 17's and full interior. When i go to the track i will borrow some slicks.
what does a newer z28 run, and what does his run? |
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how about a JDM B16a LSD Tranny. They are real real short.
Are they good for the track? |
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the way it should be...
1-4th gears close (si tranny) 5th gear cruising (like hf 5th) |
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the new z28s run like 14 flat. but the ls1 engine responds very well to bolts ons... headers/exhaust/intake. they also respond well to nitrious
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Longer gears create a load which your turbo will response to better.
That is just MY opinion. On d series motors DX trannys seem to get better timeslips. But everybody says Si trannys are better. Go figure? |
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This isnt even a valid argument anymore...its not about turbo, its about staying in the most 'usable' part of your power band...which on a high HP (read large A/R, no spoolin till 5k, sub 2ltr hamster) 4cyl is very narrow. Traction not considered shorter gears are better period. A GSR or S1/J1 equiped car will ET faster than a LS tranny.
However, after driving with an LS for awhile, Its hard not to like the longer cruising friendly gears, plus its a blast to to rip 3rd to a 100ish :) Almost worth giving up those few extra .10's in the 1/4. MrDrPep nailed it though; For a daily-driver, a hyrbid SI 1-4, HF5th or S1/J1 1-4/ LS 5th would be perfect. 'staying longer in boost' sounds good rolling off your tongue, but thats about it. Disclaimer: Im about 8deep and the vikes are kicking in :-X |
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I have a jdm b16 in 95 ex,the gears are so short and I redlined very fast, but not boosted yet a lot of people say its because of the msd ignition system but I don't know if I am going to like it that way after turbo, what would be a good tranny to use on a b16 other than the original,for dail driving?
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