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There is absolutely NO way I can fit my wastegate in the stock location next to the compressor housing, just look in this pic you can see that the compressor is about 2 mm away from the block when bolted up:

http://img170.echo.cx/img170/1512/noroom5cj.jpg

Here is a top view (kinda crappy but you get the idea)

http://img170.echo.cx/img170/7600/topview8mw.jpg

So I'm figuring that I will have to bend/cut the bracket that is attached to the wastegate in order to bolt it to the block, I can probably do that without too many problems. I'll also need to lengthen my wastegate at least 4-5 inches to make it reach. Here's a pic of my wastegate:

http://img73.echo.cx/img73/371/wastegate4hj.jpg

How the hell do I lengthen it is my question?

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cut it in half, get a piece of pipe that rod will fit inside, and weld the pipe in between.

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But then I would have to get it right on the first try, what do I need to make it adjustable?

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how about you take off the a/c compressor mount bracket numb nutz :P

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go get some all-thread from home depot. cut the arm and thread both ends, then put the all-thread in there hooked up with some coupler things and bam it is now adjustable. i hope this makes since. i cant spell that good and my communication skills are ---- so good luck understanding what i just said

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its not that hard to get right. mount the actuator where its gonna sit, tack the pipe to the actuator end, then put the loose piece on the flapper and slide it into the tube until it holds the flapper closed tightly, mark it and go weld it up.

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I thought that bracket needed to be there, it goes into the frame with something that looks like a motor mount. I can just remove it?

No I didn't understand any of that

Ok, I just got my welder today so I'll try it. I've never seen pipe that small before, would it be at any hardware store, any specific type of pipe?

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We call that threaded rod :D. Jago, i had the same problem in my accord, so i lengthened the rod using coathanger (its not THAT ghetto, works great) anyway, i bolted the actuator to one of my a/c mount bosses (waves byebye to a/c)

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Since your pictures suck, I can't tell how much room you have, but I notched the side of the block to get mine to fit. Other ways are mounting it on a different portion of the housing. Be smart, don't be a retard. >:D

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So can anyone tell me for sure if it's okay to remove that a/c bracket? I didn't think it was an a/c bracket because my car never had a/c... But if I can remove it that will free up a little more room.

And there isn't any way I can mount it on the compressor housing, I have to mount it on the block somewhere.

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The motor mount bolts to the block behind the timing cover. Pull that damn bracket off. ;)

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or if u have time like me make a cut with a dremel..my wastgate sits snug and happy and i got both stablizers intact...on a eg though....

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Attachment 38055
this is where i mounted mine at
Attachment 38056
this kinda shows the "threaded rod" i used
Attachment 38057
hopefully this shows what i was talking about if not, sorry
ow and sorry if the pics are to big.

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Thanks for the help guys, I really appreciate it. One more question: do I just use a regular dye to thread the actuator arm on the wastegate to I can put a threaded rod in the middle?

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I would hook them with with some thick wires.

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Ok, how the hell do you do attach the wires to the actuator rod?

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do not take your ac compressor bracket off! It what attaches one of your lower torque mounts to the motor. If you remove it the engine will move all over the place. I know from personal experience. A couple of years ago when i removed my ac i tried leaving that same bracket out and my car felt like ----. My engine moved so much that the valvecover hit the hood and dented it! Don't remove it.

Also I had the same problem with my wastegate actuator. I couldn't ever get it to work right so I said ---- it and welded an external wastegate flange onto my hf manifold and plopped a nice tial 38mm on there ;).

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you wrap the wire around it and twist the wire, the nipple will keep it from coming off.
but thats if ur not going to adjust the boost.

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Well ----, I already took it off. Hopefully the rest of my mounts are up to the task.

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Trust me they aren't. Don't drive the car like this. When i did it my car felt like poo because the motor was rocking so much. There is a reason that mount is there.

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depends on the condition of the original mounts

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As soon as I get some time I'm gonna take another crack at it. I'll either use the coat hanger method or cut the actuator arm in half and put a threaded rod in between so I can adjust it to the correct length and not have to worry about it. Are you just supposed to use a regular dye to make the threads in the actuator arm? How do I find what size dye to use if so?

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Just take some of the rod with you. Go to farm and fleet on HWY 51. They have them for around $2. They will also have the threaded rod you need.

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You mean the dye costs $2? I'll have to get up early tomorrow and check that ---- out.

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Yeah it was like two bucks but you need a little die holder thingy. The die itself is like the size of a quarter. I think the holder tool was like $8 but if you want you can stop by and borrow mine.

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No, listen to the man he is right, put that bracket back on or your motors gonna fall and your gonna ---- up the timing belt and maybe ---- up the motor. We took that bracket off my friends motor and within a week the motor mount boke. PUT IT BACK ON RUDEBOY!!!!

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How come so many people have removed it and mentioned no problems?

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*bump* Need more input on the a/c bracket. Have you removed it with no problems, do you absolutely recommend I put it back on, etc. Any input you offer would help me out.

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I have a B18 in my EK and i dont have either of those lower mounts. I just have the two upper mounts and the one rear mount. I have never had a problem but i dont know if your mounts are set up the same.

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i think its setup the same. Mine is a sohc in a ek.

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Didn't you just tell me to keep the bracket?

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That bracket can vary its usefulness depending on the condition of all the other ----. Just take it off and if the motor sags like a ----------er than ur gonna have to put it back on.

Friends 97 Civic.. removed it once... motor was rock solid.

Mom's 97 Civic... removed to change belts... motor sagged like 90 yr old titties.

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well if u take off the ac bracket make sure u take the other side off or the engine wont have a balanced feel on the mounts and it will rattle the side with the bracket removed..trust me ive had it happen and put my bracket back on.btw mine is a hf to sr20det t28.

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unless the rear torque mount is ---- and the side mounts are breaking, we've never kept the ac bracket mount. no issues without them as long as your mounts aren't falling apart.

forgot to add, most of the time when we do swaps, the ac bracket mount is shredded to bits anyhow.

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I am telling you to leave it on. Otherwise you may get teased about it like i do by my friends. "Hey remember that time you left the ac bracket off...and you dented the hood with your motor" :P

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Ok, thanks again for the input. I am going to cut off the upper left quarter of it so I will still have 3 bolts holding it to the motor, hopefully that will give me enough clearance.

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more than enough clearance..try not to shave ur block so u can see ur rods >:D

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Actually I just cut it and it barely help... but I'll take any help I can get at this point. I can get it bolted up fine, but the wastegate actuator is impossible to have perfectly straight to the flapper connection. So my actuator arm is pointing slightly towards the block, and I am going to bend it back a bit to point straight towards the flapper connection and then extend it. Will this still work ok becuase the wastegate will now push the whole arm slighty towards the block as well as open the flapper instead of it pushing straight into the flapper?

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bump crackazzzzzzz.........

I just reread what I wrote and it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. With the new position my wastegate is going to be bolted to, when the boost comes it will extend the rod slightly towards my block, but I bent it so it will also press towards the wastegate flapper. From what I assume, this may raise the boost a few pounds because all the effort(boost) that is being put to the wastegate will be partially wasted because it isn't pressing straight against the flapper (physics 101 people) I'm sure someone has had this same problem before, I just haven't heard about it ever. Well I guess this isn't really a question but a call for input, anybody that has ever done this before, tell me your story

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Here' s my story.


Make sure the flapper is completely closed, and mount the wastegate. O0