I need HELP!.."Ya cant put a turbo on yur car son, it has too much compression!"
 

I am faced a terrible problem in my desperate quest to give my engine a blow job!... When i found this site earlier today, I saw a light in these dark times... I knew that there was bound to be SOMEONE who could help me! and if this is not the place, well I'll be daimed!...an i shall semi-reluctantly settle for my buddies ol 89 4dr turbo 323 gt...(for 2500$cnd :o ....sounds like fun eh? i know... :P but parts are rare... :-\ ne way my car looks ten times more killer....) Ever since i bought my first car, a 1992 Accord 2r, I've been dying to slap a big ol' innercooler in its face. Now afterworkin in a garage for 4 years I do feel that I am indeed capable, with perhaps a tad help from my main mecanic/boss, of giving my engine its first blow job. Being a full time student makes it quite difficult to collect enuf green only pumpin gas on weekends to work/invest on my car tho, but i gots a knack for finding thigs cheap! So i gots the intake and exaust suspension takin cares of, ive been givin er oil changes up the ying-yang since i got her. she runs real clean, I try not to drive er to hard cuz shes a lil old...(247 786Km... yea i know dats alot but trust me, its all high way! (student)) But when u give er throttle, it roars quite nicely... an with only one cam on er, she barely burns a drop of oil... so the car is clean, ok, and i could go on...( Ill have motor pics of er soon..) HOWEVER, I am faced with a TERRIBLE problem...My Pops aint backin me u at all...an he is very familiar with engines and turbos, trust me, he knows his ----...And so he tells me that my poor little F22a will not be able to handle a turbo, even at low boost because it is a high compression motor. Now, I am very aware of this (9.5:1 to be exact...) high ratio and am very aware that high compression motors cannot handle turbos well because they use more air/compression to work...and thus i am told that turbos are used on engines with low compression... So, I know that if i really wanted, i would simply have too through in lower pistons n prolly get some beefeer rods in deir at the same time, but rite there, were talkin major cash n time investment if i want it done rite... which i would...SO there HAS to be a way a can just put a lil turbo on my lil 2.2 n run it a low boost, just enuff to hear that lil magical sound of the blow-off...:D My best plan so far is to simply use a very large intercooler and piping, 3 inch prolly, to increase volume and reduce boost....PLEASE! I am open to all suggestions and ideas! I know theres blown, stock accords out there that are runnin somewhat okay! even if my car only lasts me a few months with the stock internals, i just need it for the coming summer... Im anxious to hear some thoughts, Chris.

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your old man obviously doesnt know all that much, send 10 psi through that bitch and ull have no problems, 10 psi will turn your father out, no tire hop.

9.5:1 is a boost friendly comp ratio for sure.

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Chris, quit making such damn long posts. There's plenty of stock accords that are turbo. Your pops needs to step outside the box. Turbo it, and then smoke your dad.

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from now on call your father stretch nuts

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No ----, besides the f22 has a iron block with the nice compression it has it takes boost very nicely. They have plenty of f22a1's running around with no problems, the only f22a1 that I ever heard of blowing up was one that ran on 20psi for a week I think it was? Just simply state the facts to your dad and show him that he's wrong.

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Yeah sorry to say dude but your dad doesn't know as much as you think he does. 9.5:1 is pretty damn low for this day and age, especially for a honda. With the right engine management that thing will love da boost.

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that was a lot of text asking if the stock c/r is too high for boost.
answer: no.

welcome to the site. pics of your car would be good.

Re: I need HELP!.."Ya cant put a turbo on yur car son, it has too much compression!"
 

hahahaha thats great

Re: I need HELP!.."Ya cant put a turbo on yur car son, it has too much compression!"
 

quit being a -----

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i've boosted 2 f22's. They seem to like it. please quit saying 'give my engine a blowjob'

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your dad is right.

most factory turbo engines are <= ~8.7:1 compression

if you go easy on it it will last. if you rape it it'll last a lil while

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Running and f22a1 right now boosted at 10psi...you father has no idea what he's talking about. And the f22 has 8.8:1 compression not 9.5:1!!! Even so when i do get forged internals i'm not gonna lower the compression i'm gonna raise it to atleast 9.1:1

www.cb7tuner.com you have a lot of searching and reading to do man...so does your dad.

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to many 'ers' and 'yurs' and 'da's' and drama with slapping an intercooler in the face.

especially a large one to keep the boost down. thats what wastegates do, that is der job ya herrre me. holla

just boost the thing and you'll be in ricer heaven.

(i guess i don't sound as cool when i put in the der's and yurs and ---- like that.) ::)

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I can't beleive anyone would raise their compression when building a turbo motor for a street car....

Re: I need HELP!.."Ya cant put a turbo on yur car son, it has too much compression!"
 

whats with all these new guys and them not boosting their car because their mommy or daddy wont let them ???

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I get alot of that...great things have been accomplished by ppl that think outside the norm tho.

Its all in the ignition tuning and not exceeding the octane's limitations

Besides its not like i'm raising it into the 11's :P

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compression is definitely 8.8:1.

boost the fucker. there's a few of us around here who have. ;)

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A lot of the used turbos with internal wastegates are set around 7-8 psi - perfect if you're worried about running high boost. If the c:r was lower, you'd have to worry about the sleeves giving way with "high boost". An extra 80whp @8psi for $1.5k is nice. In the end, its the tuning that dictates what's safe on a non-low c:r engine.

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this story reminds me of a guy talked to when i was doing an install on my buddy's integra. almost exact words....."you cant turbo that engine because it's compression is too high; it needs to be 8.5:1 or lower". i was cool about it at first and basically said there are 1000's of stock honda motors on boost running around, and it has more to do with tunning than compression numbers. then for whatever reason, this guy when into "i'm a know-it-all dick" mode talking about he went to school for this stuff, blah blah blah, and how he's gonna laugh when it blows up. he had gone to UTI or something comparable. i blem him off after that..........

anway, long story short, the car is still running just fine 6mon later.

good luck with your project 8)

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so.. teach your dad a lesson.. sell coke and turbo it yourself.. once he finds out his son is coke dealer he really will wish he had "got your back".

-CF

Re: I need HELP!.."Ya cant put a turbo on yur car son, it has too much compression!"
 

post ude pictures of your girlfriend and we will give you the honest anwser. ;)

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if you tune conservativley, the f22 bottom end is pretty strong and can take quite a bit of boost. Didnt one guy on here run like 22psi for a week or 2 and it lasted a while before it blew?

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it was josh ross. i think he did it for three weeks with little to no management.

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I KNEW IT! oh its on now....btw im terribly sorry for the long ass post, i guess i got a lil carried away... ;D I thank all for your thoughts, i am indeed very happy i found this site. SO, now that the compresion issues are out of the way, id like some enlightenment on this important tuning i must take care of...keep in mind, this engines old, and im also hangin on a damn thread with my liscense thanks to my time-trial driving style... so theres no need to turn this thing into a fire-breathing street-beast, trust me if i could i would... and im still a little concerned bout the high-milage, almost 250 000 km, i aint beein a -----, its juss that i care for my only car! and i cant afford to blow it up. Also, if im running low boost and drivin it easy (as gay as that sounds, its better than nothin), do i really have to worry bout management issues?? Thanks again guys, Chris.
P.S. I tried desperatly to add a file but apparently im not aloud too...wtfks up with that?

Re: I need HELP!.."Ya cant put a turbo on yur car son, it has too much compression!"
 

No engine has a compression ratio to high to boost if it is built for it. A diesel is a perfect example. You will be fine boosting your f22. Hell I say boost and then put an H22 head on it. Even more fun.

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---- man... It all depends on fuel management. My Nephew told me I should boost my motor at 10:1 compression. I told him it would burn a piston faster than I could tune it. It has a carburetor. I am envious of you EFI folks.....
If you have fuel injection, FMU that bitch and give it AT LEAST 8 psi and go knock the nuts off a Mustang

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he will most likely blow that motor on 8psi if he has just an FMU... thats shitty fuel managemant

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I would favour a downloaded uberdata map over FMU and that's not saying much. Lots of times you hear the compression ratio argument being thrown around by internet parrots. In 999/1000 those writing the words don't know the first thing about tuning. I've boosted 12:1 motors without any trouble.

-Michael

Re: I need HELP!.."Ya cant put a turbo on yur car son, it has too much compression!"
 

umm. Im gonan boost my 10.2:1 stock block B16 10-12 psi. Dont be skurrrd on 8.8:1 you'll be fine. Do a cpmoression test before you even start buying parts for your project. (I got 230 in all cylinders warm O0)

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YOU CAN'T COMPARE A DIESEL TO A GASOLINE ENGINE.
They simply aren't even remotely similiar when you look at the combustion process.
There's no such thing as detonation in a diesel, as they don't compress a fuel mixture, just air. The combustion is completely under control and centralized around the injector. And even when there is no such thing as detonation on a diesel, the manufacturers still use lower compression on their turbo engines to reduce mechanical stress.
Let me see you make any power out of a 16:1 compression petrol engine with a turbocharger, at least 0.5 bar boost and it must be able to sustain flat out full throttle for 5-10 miles without blowing to pieces.
There is such a thing as too high compression ratio, however it comes down to what kind of combustion chamber design you have, what kind of cylinder heads, rod to stroke ratio, rpm range where boost will be in and last but not least type of fuel. Both octane ratings and evaporative/thermal properties decide how good the fuel is on a high pressure engine.
You want the peak cylinder pressure to happen just a few degrees after TDC. If you are not able to get the peak pressure to happen at the right time because your ignition is retarded around the crank to reduce detonation, your compression ratio is too high for the fuel you're using.
At high rpm everything happens a lot quicker so each degree in spark timing becomes less critical, however the heat builds up a lot faster at high rpms if something is not done properly so most people melt their engines at high rpms.

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That is true. I forgot diesel fuel doesn't have an octane rating persay. Thank you for pointing that out.

<-------stupid diesel mechanic :P

Re: I need HELP!.."Ya cant put a turbo on yur car son, it has too much compression!"
 

he will most likely blow that motor on 8psi if he has just an FMU... thats shitty fuel managemant

True.... I am not 100% familiar with uberdata, so maybe a good option. (use intercooler please) I do agree that if he can get his tune correct he should be able to boost w/o a prob. I am just concerned about the conditions of the rings on that bad boy w/that many miles. I have seen a guys oil filler cap pop off his valve cover bc of excess crankcase pressure. He damn near didn't need a wastegate, his blowby kept his boost down.

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Here's what you should do:

Get a compression test - if it turns out good - boost your car. THe Accord F22 engine is pretty stout. Like B16CRXT said there are people boosting B16's on this website and not really worrying about it that much. The compression ratio on those is 10.2:1 or 10.4:1 I think depending on the year it was made in.

If your compression is good though, don't worry about it. If it's not, well then you can either rebuild the engine you have now or save up for a swap, there's several swaps you can do that just bolt right in. F22B, F20A, H22, etc etc.

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i second that, i've got a d15b7 i'm boosting 8psi on a 14b, even with 185k miles on it. compression checked it, 200 across the board +/- 3psi (its amazing what routine maintenance and 2500mi oil changes will do, isn't it?)

and about the diesel- thats why a lot of truck drivers leave their semi's running all night- diesels rely on detonation to burn the fuel, so they do shitty until the engine warms up (denser air is harder to ignite, thats the whole idea behind the intercooler on a fi car, to prevent it) also why turbo diesels make so much more power, the turbo does a great job of heating up all the air. its like the opposite of what otto-cycle engines want to do- instead of wanting colder denser air diesels make more power with hotter air.

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lol this is hillarious. A diesel runs off the principal of autoignion where in a a traditional gasoline motor it will destroy the motor. Apples and oranges...

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Bah, wrong again. I don't think you even know what detonation is when you claim that diesels run on it. Detonation is when the mixture ignites from more than one place at the same time and burns up all at once rather than completing the burn as the piston travels down the power stroke.
It's true that the diesels use the pressure and heat to ignite the fuel, that works shitty when the engine is ice cold but the glow plugs take care of the cold starts. In only a matter of seconds it runs just as well as if it was warm.
Diesels benefit a lot from intercoolers, just like otto cycle engines. More dense air = more power. An intercooler also drops the exhaust gas temperatures, which in turn give room for more power.
An interesting difference between diesels and otto engines is the fact that the diesel doesn't care about air/fuel ratios. They run very lean under all conditions except full throttle. Lean burning there means less energy is produced and less heat. Rich burning is more energy produced and more heat. Most power is produced as the engine starts pouring out soot, but that's also where the exhaust temperature goes up. Run a diesel too rich and you will most likely melt something.

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thanks for pointing that out, i'm still a noob when it comes to understanding how diesels work but at least i got the basics down. :P

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alright.
like the guys from cb7tuner said, you are perfectly fine bossting that motor. i should know two of my close friends did it. i have a jdm f22b dohc motor with a 14b turbo currently boosting 10 psi on uberdat fuel management. luckily for you the f22a map is damn near perfect. i on the other hand along with midnite and a few others have been forced to do the hole tuning process based on what one lone brave soul (midnite) learned about the f22s.
ok f22 block=iron sleeves, but the piston rings are ----. i have run 10 psi on my f22b (9.1:1) since february, all while custom tuning my own maps. i'm about to step up to 12-14 psi in a week. i will do a compression test but the last time it was done it was 220 all the way across
boost it.
btw a friend of mine had 200k miles on his motor, and got blowby like a mofo. be sure you have the means to put a new motor in or at least rebuild it when u blow it.

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BASTARD!! i always like posting the link!!! Carlos 3 MRX 3 GRRR it shall continue

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funny... how u sit back for a while.. and ppl forget those who began to fux0rs with the f22a.. oh those late nites were fun...