How Can I Get 600AWHP From a Stealth ????
 

So my Buddy is getting a '92 Stealth TT AWD and we want to make it faster. We would really like to see 600awhp. I have searched some Stealth/3000GT forums and set ups are few and far between rarely with HP #s or anybody staying in the cheap.

So we're thinking it couldn't be that hard, Supra guys do it all the time. I would think that all that would be needed is:

A sufficient fuel pump .... ideas ?
Huge injectors .... how do I know what we can make fit?
Custom manis .... shouldn't be a problem, we're half ass fab masters
A giant yet cheap turbo .... from a turbo diesel truck maybe?
Hard IC pipes ..... easy
Big FMIC ..... yet cheap ....
And a way to control everything thats WAY cheaper than AEM EMS ....Mega Squirt? Will it work? Will we be abe to figure it out if we can handle UD?

Have a laptop and PLX M300.

Talk to me. I need a plan.

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Do a 6000rpm clutch drop in the Stealth then wait for the 300hp power stroke diesel tow truck to come pick it up. :y

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Disconnect rear driveshaft

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mopar is gay

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You can but not on the stock block. I think I've heard of only about 500 to the wheels on the stock block, but it's still going to weigh 3800 lbs and be slooooooww... Nice top end car...

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your frickin retarded for tryin to get a 2 ton car to move fast.

good luck.

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Same transmission as 4G63 powered DSM. Poop. Don't listen too much to the weight haters; all DSM are slow, but you are no worse off than GVR4 as far as weight goes.

Dunno about max power you can get out of that engine reliably; it wasn't so long ago that Honduhs couldn't take more than 6-8 psi and 250 whp was like whoa. It's just not a developed platform, so prepare to make some semi-serious basic errors.

You're probably need two Walbro 255 in parallel to hit 600 awhp, and expect to have to upgrade the feed line.

...UD? :-\

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Big Turbo, Fuel managment, New clutch........BOOM.......wash rinse and repeat....

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you're not ready to make that kind of power because you said big, but cheap turbo....if you're going to cheap out on the turbo, the whole setup is doomed because who knows what other important part you'll half ass....600awhp isn't going to be cheap so give it up

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seen it happen, pieces of ----!

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Doesnt make it one of the good ones (in fact probably is one of the earlier crappy ones; based on there reputation). There are very few DSM parts that are good. And not much of it is interchangable. For example, we were switching out parts on my friends 90 GSX trying to figure out a drivetrain issue. We bolted up a 91 t-case, no problem. Hooked everything up and took it for a drive. Same problem and a new one; we had a tick coming from the rear end whenever the car was under power. Or so we thought. So we switched out rear ends for a known good LSD rear end. Mistake. There was a whine from that rear end; took it home. My dumbass friend forgot to fill the rear end or even check it for that matter (it was his car). Fill it up and take it for a drive, same noise but quieter now. We're stumped. I crawl under the car on jack stands and start spinning the driveshaft by hand. Its notchy as we spin it. Figuring the rear end is fucked from running without fluid, we switch it back to the one that came on the car. Take it for a drive, same ticking. I crawl back under the car and spin the driveshaft again. WTF? Its still notchy. Anyways, long story short. We drop the center diff. Turns out the input shaft is, I ---- you not, ~1mm smaller but same spline count as the output on the transmission. Also after some research, I found out the LSD rear end was off an automatic, which you guessed it, have a different ratio than the manuals. How gay.

Anyways thats not the only hell I've had with mitsubitchi's, just one instance. Also, a GVR4 is no where near what a 3000gt is. 3200lbs according to edmunds, which puts it right in eclipse territory.

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Ok, I personally am a turbo honda guy ... '95 LS-T ... but he is a Mitsu lover and currently drives an NA FWD 3000gt daily. Too big of a car for me but he likes em, and his NA FWD is faster than I expected ... he regularly takes ricers and on HWY could pull away from my stock '01 GSR.

He is getting the car cheap as it needs a clutch so it will get a beefier unit upon arrival. The car does have a new motor I am told.

With a claimed 320hp stock it doesn't seem like ~550 or so would be such a strech ....

I searched the Stealth/3000GT forums and you're definately right, this platform is painfully under developed. UD ??? as in wire up a honda ECU to run the motor? Thought about that but seems like a different distributer set up... and can't run a honda dist as I need 6 plug wires ;D thoughts on possible way to make this work ????
WTF? ??? am I in the wrong forum ? I thought HMT was all about big horse power with small budget ?

Seriously, there has to be a turbo in production thats close enough to the right size for a potent single turbo conversion without the $1k+ price tag of the super ballin Supra crowd.

I am lookin for help, not haters .... I can find a DSM hater anywhere ...

Re: How Can I Get 600AWHP From a Stealth ????
 

ur not gonna make 600 horse out of a stealth on the cheap. twin walbros, upped line, big injectors, and a GOOD stand alone at the minimum. boss's stealth is makin 780 w/ a built ass motor, AEM, fuel system described above, lots of head work/valve train work, custom intake mani, custom IC pipes, huge twin sidemounts, and a 50 shot

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hope your pockets are as big as your goals
http://www.dynamicracing.com/customer/home.php

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Ok well we want to shoot for 600 and settle for .... what ever it makes when its done ... which I would expect to be substantially more than the 320 stock # ... a 200hp gain would be acceptable ...

So, twin walbros ... inlines?

800-1000cc injectors ... anyway to get something like that from an existing vehicle? Rather than RC$$$$$? Cutom IM with 12 injectors maybe??? Other ideas?

Whats comparable to AEM ?? MegaSquirt ??

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Nope, don't have money like that. But the good news is we don't expect 9s ... 11s would be nice though ...

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dude, like we keep trying to tell you, ur not gonna do it on the cheap unless you want to be fixing something else every other day

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Yeah, thats pretty much his style.

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1. steal lamborghini murcilago, diablo vt, etc
2. transplant stealth body, onto lamborghi chasis
3. drive like homo

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Well ... thats the most helpful post so far ...no lambos here in podunk though...


Anybody know how we can get bigger injectors into this car other than just buying aftermarket ones?

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get 2 16g's, 550's , a front mount................and GUT EVERYTHING

call it good


check out 3si.org

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What was his first objective? Wasn't he trying to max out the stock turbos? i can't really remember the old HP #s either. That would be a good example of what this guy is up against.

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single turbo: since you probably have a HMT budget, you could get a remanufactured Full T4 twin scroll 60-1 from some turbo shop for less than half the price of a gt35R or gt4088R and results that are almost just as good.
Using the twin scroll feature will compensate for the lack of ball bearings!
Use either one big 46+mm wastegate or two 35/38 mm WG !!!

twin turbo: Again, you could grab a pair of .48/.60 t3 60 trim or even t3t04e 46 trim for cheap and that's good for almost 600 HP. 0.63 turbines would work with better top end and more HP but i'm affraid it could lag.
OF course you could go with a pair of gt2860R that are much more expensive but on a twin setup, you can save by using internal wastegates.

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Can't you get GTxxE, the journal bearing variants?

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yes sure a GT3782 jornal bearing is good for 550 HP and twin scroll.
or if that's not enough, the GT4082 jornal bearing for 650 HP.

those a a great pick for under than 1000$ but they come with pretty high A/R's not sure what the spool up will look like.

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I know they make GT28E and GT32E, do they make GT30E or GT35E?

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It's not mopar dumbass, it's mitsubishi

3S's run DIS, here's an article if you're interested.

http://www.stealth316.com/0-frames.htm go to technical, and then dohc ignition system.


If you wanna stay cheaper, I'd recommend staying twin turbo, it's just more simple because the framework is already there for you. It sounds like for the goals you speak of, you'd be well suited with EvoIII 16g's. You'll definately need a front mount. If you wanna go cheap, you can just gut the precats and not have to buy O2 housing/precat eliminators (not sure if this will make 600 awhp though).

The only options people really use for engine management on a large scale is AEM EMS or ARC-2, look into it. ARC-2 isn't the BEST, but Matt Monett uses it, and he just hit 9's on a stock bottom end.

And if you actually want to do it as cheap as possible, open your mind up to using nitrous, because it'll be a lot easier. I've heard of somebody who I believe ran an 11.7 on the stock 9b's (------ tiny) with nitrous.

If you have any 3S specific questions, let me know, and I'll try to find out for you, I have a tt stealth (i'm selling), but I do a lot of research on them.

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I don't know what is the "E" for??? i don't seem to see that in my garrett catalog.

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My understanding is R=ball bearing and E=journal bearing.

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It's actually even simpler than that!!!

R= ballbearing

...everything without a R is journal bearing.

look: http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbob...rs.html#medium

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Sweet! Right down to the part numbers.

I wonder if much of the GT30+ turbos are going on OEM vehicles. Most of the cars are getting GT2x :(

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not aware of any gt30X factory cars and for the GT-"R" cars, in the last few months, mazda was the first to ever use a gt bb on a factory car. All the other GT2X factory cars are using non BB turbos like the saab GT17.
nissan was using ball bearings on the skyline way back but that model of garrett BB is not GT technology and they have to be replaced by the GT ones when they fail.

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Need to find what big trucks the larger GT series are finding their way onto.

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We do plan to gut the car.

single turbo:
So .... ~$500 for 1 big turbo but ~$400 for a 46mm TiAL ... don't turbo diesel trucks run large internally gated turbos? Could we use that to get around the huge TiAL exspense?
twin turbo:
somthin like 2 of these -> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/RB20-...18790084QQrdZ1 for a total of $480 for the pair with gates :o >:D :S :6

You kinda lost me on the pre cat thing, we were planning probably 1 turbo with 4" DP and exhaust... are you saying we can't just weld in 02 bungs, we need to use housings ??? Sorry...I am all about shutting the 02 off with UD :1
Do you know what this ARC-2 runs price wise?
Any input on the most bang for the buck clutch?
I think we're gonna try and keep nitrous out of the plan for now but we'll explore that option if we can't get 11s after this build.
Appreciate the help :-*
Yes, because he has a junk yard hook up ...
so useable junk yard turbo(s) and injectors would be sweet ... :y

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"Caterpillar TV7202 Turbocharger, fairly large turbo, was gonna use it on a gas motor, would work great for high RPM race motor, or large C.I motor .72 intake a/r 1.60 exhaust, came off running diesel. $75 "

^ on my local car forum ???

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Thats because the Supra's bottom end can handle almost 1000 HP stock and theres so much more aftermarket for it. And as for a big and nice turbo, research Holset.

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I know you're being funny, but ever heard the term...unibody?

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HEY these are chinese knock off turbos!!! i can tell right away from the plastic cover on the t3 flange, the shapes of the housings that are definitely not garrett's as well as the unreal pricing!


You dont plan on installing such chinese knock offs on that car do you???

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No right now it's lookin like we're gonna be searchin for a turbo off a turbo diesel ford.Didn't notice that those were knock offs either.
I thought about that ... usually HX35 or HY35... HX is bigger I think but is it large enough for a single to support this build?


So Matt (the owner) was reading me a budget build he found online earlier ... I'll post up the link when he emails it to me... but supposedly this guy did a build consisting mainly of:
Aeromotive fuel pump
Aeromotive FPR
custom lines
5XX cc injectors from a ford explorer (also listed other peak and hold injectors that could be used)
an internally gated turbo off a 7.3L Ford turbo diesel
big FMIC (no specifics)
stock BOVs
Self ported heads with lash adjuster shims and valve springs from some other vehicle (not concerned as we don't plan to ---- with the heads)
and AEM fuel management
made 7xx awhp
then switched to a $2600 Garrett turbo and did somthin like 850 ...

Been reading about megasquirt some and it looks like it'll work.

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I don't know much about those heads, but with pushing all that air thru there you might hit a brick wall. You might have to port them.