DSM boy turned HMT guy?! what?
 

ok, so Im probably going to receive a never ending stream of ---- from jeff about how I've "gone to the dark side" but while Im building up my DSM I purchaced an innocent little 91 Civic DX 4 dr. So just for shits I go and see what engines will go into it. low and behold the d16z6 bolts right in and mates to the transmission..well the is just too easy, no wonder everyone has a honda!!

anyways, I really got to thinking and decided that the 40 hp Id get from the SOHC Vtec swap wouldn't be enough. then I realise that I have all the stock turbo stuff from the DSM. then the little light bulb in my head lights up. the goal is less than $1000 including the cost of the d16z6

Heres what I Have:
14b
DSM SMIC
1g DSM BOV

Heres what I need:
d16z6
HF manifold, with adapter
Oil/water lines
Piping

and heres what Im unsure of:
I only want to run like 5 psi, as its a daily driver. Im wondering if its better to go the carb spring method or the lengthening of the WG arm to get the boost low enogh. Also I don't have my 450cc injectors anymore, so what are my fueling options? am I pretty much limited to ghetto FMU style? not really 100% comfortable with that (12:1 FMU + 5 PSI= 60 additional psi of fuel pressure!) and are their any REALLY simple/cheap tuners/loggers out there (I REALLY would at least like to be able to monitor knock and timing.)

so yeah, I feel that some of My DSM knowledge may actually be standing in my way here. Im a total FNG when it comes to hondas too so be gentle :)

~The Lost DSM boy

Re:DSM boy turned HMT guy?! what?
 

i think your best bet is some 450's and the VAFC. Since you are putting a vtec motor in there the vafc will allow vtec control and injector control for the turbo, 2 birds.. 1 stone, not bad!

Re:DSM boy turned HMT guy?! what?
 

if your only going to be running 5 psi the fmu will get the job done easily! Im running 5-6 right now on my d16z6 with an fmu, and it runs like stock!

Re:DSM boy turned HMT guy?! what?
 

yeah dude. don't use the AFC + 450 for just 5 psi. And you don't have to get a 12:1 FMU. Got with a 10:1 or 8:1 disk. ;)

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thanks for the info; If I have to I can yank the SAFC out of the Talon and use it, but I really don't want to, thats why I was thinking FMU. what are good, cheap FMU options? the only ones I've heard of are the Vortech's, but then again, Im used to an ECU thats ready for boost : )

Just one more quick Question: In my experience with the 14b, even with the WG fully open it makes about 7psi. will this be lower because its being used on a much smaller, 1.6l d16z6 as opposed to my 2.0l 4g63? and will 5psi be a decent ammount of boost? seems kinda low now that I really think aobut it. (Im used to about 18psi on the talon.)

Re:DSM boy turned HMT guy?! what?
 

I'll chime in on this,

I was running 5PSI and on my d16y7 and it was great, BUT, after about a month I wanrted more, and 8PSI is better. Keep in mind the fact that once you experience 5 you are going to want to turn up the boost, and you may outgrow your FMU.

Re:DSM boy turned HMT guy?! what?
 

It's going to make the same ammount of boost no matter what the application is. If it's on a 1.6 as opposed to a 2.0 then the spool up time will be slightly longer. The 14b is actually a good turbo for honda d16 motors because it still spools to full boost rather quickly, and it pulls harder in the higher RPM's where the t25 would normally start to peter out.

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I think you're going to crank the boost up and that FMU isn't going to be the correct selection. You haven't even installed it yet and you are thinking 5 psi is too low. Just think when you have it installed. You're going to want to push that turbo and the motor to the limits. Go with the AFC. :)
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Re:DSM boy turned HMT guy?! what?
 

Agreed. And its not that much different in price. Plus your a DSM guy. You can get parts. ;)

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Wombat, you don't happen to have a white Talon with a fully built stroker motor, 100hp shot nitrous, huge turbo...and if you do, I know who you are ;) And if you are then just to let you know that my CRX will take your Talon anyday. That's right, once you finish putting it back together let me know so you can have your ass handed back to you :-X

Also, the 11 second Miata is coming for you!!! You know whom I mean. ;D

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The "lost DSM boy" is gonna get lost in the DPFI-MPFI swap ;) that will be your big obsticle (even thought its pretty easy) in doing your setup.

5psi feels ok, 14b's spool rather fast on a honda d16/d15's, remember 5psi would feel like nothing on your dsm. You may want to add a intercooler to your list, especially with just a FMU. I'd run a 8:1 or 10:1 disc, FMU's cost about 60-125 on ebay.

Jeff

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dude you must have some serious work done to that crx, b16 destroyer is your name, you are sending challenge to a talon, thats one series of cars I dont mess with, 1g eclipse,and talon. my friend have one that smoke every challenger, he had including fully built v8's, so whats your set up? I dont doubt you will beat him, but if you can, nuff respect.

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hey, don't mean to dig up an old thread...

no, I don't have a white 1g with a 2.4l 4g63/64 hybrid. sorry :( and if a fully built stroker with a 100shot of Nitrous can't beat an 11 sec miata, that guy needs help driving/tuning. Mildly built 2.4l's without nitrous are running deep 11's...

As far as the IC goes, I am going to be using the Talon SMIC.

For MPFI: me and a friend were thinking about this: PW0 or PR3 ECU with all the fun MPFI resistor box crap, and then the 2 vtex wires. Im thinking these ECUs because my friend says they are from Vtec motors (?) and that way I shouldn't need an SAFC to add more fuel for vtec.

Also as far as the "you'll want more than 5psi" thing. I agree, but I do have the self controll to hold myself back. Its a daily driver that sees about 35 miles a day. Im confidant that 5psi will be enough to keep me happy until the talon is running. then I'll have 25psi :)

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uhmmmm will a PW0 or w Pr3 work for a D-series engine??
would be intersting..I got a PW0 ;D but no B16A1 :(

Re:DSM boy turned HMT guy?! what?
 

sell the DSM an do up the Civ

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stock PW0 or PR3 ECU isnt going to be running any D-series very good at all.

Re:DSM boy turned HMT guy?! what?
 

hah remember when we tried to use my pr3 to run the white car at hte race track long time ago that was the same day we made that sweet ram air intake on adams car

Beau