Dodge Neon
 

Hey guys I'm a new user here. I know this is primarily a honda/acura site but it said to feel free to talk about any car so here goes. I have a 1998 Dodge Neon. The engine is the 2.0L 16V DOHC. Does anyone have any experience or knowledge with turbocharging these engines? I am looking to sort of piece together the parts I need to develope a good kit but I have very little knowledge in this department. All I know so far from what I have read is that Mitsubishi turbos work well since the Neon engine is actually a Mitsubishi engine. If any of you can share some knowledge I would greatly appreciate it and I look forward to hearing from you.

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those motors are decent for boost but without internals it wont take too much ( i have a friend with the same motor in an eclipse)

it doesnt matter if the turbo and motor are made by the same people, lol

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Its just like any setup, you are going to need to completely piece everything together. You will need all your basics, Turbo/Manifold/Intercooler/Lines/BOV/Management/etc etc. I've seen a few neon setups, and those 420a's can hold a pretty good amount of power in stock form.

wish I could help more..

Jeff

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yea my friend blew his up at 12 psi (non-intercooled stupidity)...then did pistons and rods (and an ic) and ran 22 psi with a huge t3/t4

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neon dude - this forum is for everybody looking to do a HMT setup - it just so happens that hondas/acuras are the ----! :P

Your car is no different - just take a couple hours and READ UP. You'll learn a lot! Keep reading and re-reading and next thing you know you'll know your stuff.

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this is prolly the most indescriminative (if thats a word) site for turbo build-ups.. i dont know what i would do w/o HMT!!!

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thanks for the feedback. I know the turbo and vehicle manufacturers dont have to be the same I was just implying that the Mitsubishi might fit better. As far as boost goes, I am looking at a minimal amount. I would probably go 5 psi max until I set up the engine to handle more.

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Yeah everybody says they're only going to run 5 psi max, than you find out how much fun boost is, get a boost controller and before you know it your spiking the boost to 25 than you end up with 4 holes in your hood. Happens all the time ;)

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Oh I know, I have seen my share. But if you knew me then you'd know that I baby my engine so much!! And when I say 5 psi I mean it. Now when I catch the bug for more boost I will build the engine to handle it. (as money allows of course) But I agree w/ you that plenty of people start out low and then go to insane amounts then cry when the pieces start flying out the oil pan.

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I know people that never turn up the boost ever. Theres one guy and Maple Grove Raceway he runs a turbo Type R (a real one) it does 15.6 and thats all. I was like "why don't you turn it up?" His answer was "it runs so good at 5 pounds) What a douche bag. Nothing like putting a turbo onl your car to make it slower

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i dont know much about them but it might be possible that the bolt patterns for the exhaust manifold is the same as an eclipse, that would make things almost too easy. go to the auto parts store, get an exhaust manifold gasket for a 90-99 eclipse gst/gsx, get another for a 98 neon, compare the two of them.

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will do. Should be able to find those at any autozone type store huh?

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autozone, pepboys, napa.....

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Well if the eclipse non turbo engine and yours is the same, then yo can check more info on guys that have turboed their eclipses and see how they did it, Just an Idea.

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yes the motors are the same as the NT ecplipses, just backwards in the car

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your engine is the same as the 2nd gen eclipse NT engine (420A) but i dont think they can handle much boost, there was a guy that worked at altered atmosphere over here in maryland and said they could only handle 7PSI, i used to have a 1st gen NT eclipse with a 4G63 and i think those can hold a fair amount.

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they can handle more than 7...check out hahn racecraft's site

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ok i'm 90% done doing a hmt setup on my 96 sohc neon, and there are a lot of things that you need to know before starting this. i'd type out a lot but i'm at work right now, i'll try to put up a detailed post later- in the mean time try checking out neons.org and check out the forced induction board- a lot of good help to be found there.

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but as stated here on hmt we are the shiznizzle

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Hey, I have a 99 r/t and i have been boosting for about a year now at 7psi on stock internals with no intercooler at 180whp. I could probably be at about 220whp with 7psi and an intercooler but i am lazy and i already have so much wheel hop and spin. It all depends on the turbo you have a less efficient turbo will produce more hot air at 5 psi than a better turbo will produce at 10psi. Proper tuning does wonders. I have run as high as 10psi at the track. I do run 94 octane gas all of the time and i don't have anything to pull out timing. I DON'T Recommend this to anyone! I have a warranty till 100,000 miles and i have all of my stock parts to put back on ;D

Anyway that is my specialty - I make manifolds for the Neon, Eclipse Avenger and so on...

You will need a rising rate Fpr like a Cartech/BEGI or Vortech SFMU - regular vortech FMU will not work. you will need a higher volume fuel pump or in-line booster pump. The neon Fuel system is returnless, so you need to to disable the intank regulator and run a return line back to the tank fron the rising rate requlator. Oil lines are easy and pretty standard runs from a Tee off of the oil pressure sending unit and return it to the oil pan.

Nothing from a 4g63(stock turbo motor) Eclipse fits a neon!

and this "Neon engine is actually a Mitsubishi engine" is not right it is a dodge motor. The turbo eclipse guys call the 420a Eclipse a Neon with an Eclipse body kit ;D

these are not stock internals but....

DOHC

http://www.neons.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=138625 - the same company makes Honda kits too - Len is the same Guy that used to race for Hahn Racecraft. you have probably seen the video where he spanks an 11.00 sec. Viper.

SOHC

http://www.neons.org/forums/viewtopi...ight=sohc+dyno

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ONE QUESTION: do you want a pre-fab kit, or an HMT style one..... can you weld? For a pre-fab kit, go to www.HahnRacecraft.com , they are 420A specialists.
BTW, 420As are Mopar four bangers, not DSM. an NA 95-99 shitbox (eclipse RS & GS) is as american as it gets. The first gen eclipse non-turbo actually used a mitsu 4G63, just not the 4G63T (with a 14B). Don't get me wrong though, I like DOHC Neons. 150 stock hp cant be bad. ;)

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I would definately prefer a pre-fab kit because of the fact that it would be easier. But financialy(sp?) if I am going to have a turbo any time soon it would have to be home made. No I can not weld but I have a couple connections so I dont think that would be too much problem. Now on the topic of the engine. Here's how I am translating what you guys are saying. The 2nd gen NT eclipse engine and the 95-99 neon engines are the same but they are not Mitsubishi, instead they are both Mopar. Is that correct?

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Sorry to hear that :P

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H8TER - ;) - I think we had this conversation once before.

you: A Neon is an ugly Girls car - Blah, BALh, blah!

Me: My Mom and 2 sisters drive a Civic. Blah Blah Blah!

8)


And No the 420a is a chrysler Motor. The neon Motor is not called a 420a - the one that comes in the Eclipse, Avenger, Sebring, and Cirrus IS .

Mercedes has nothing to do with the SRT-4 - Chrysler made several mid to high 14 sec turbo cars over the last 20 years.

CSX Shadow

Omni GLHS

Dodge Spirit R/T

All Butt Ugly - all crappy cars - so What ;D

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Ahhhh yes I remember that.Neons are just ugly to me ....sorry :P

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daytonas
the 2.2 turbo mustangs :/