catch can set-up i have searched!!!!!
12-22-2006, 02:11 PM
#21
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Re: catch can set-up i have searched!!!!!
Originally Posted by s1ngle
Let me address each of your misunderstandings.
1.You're mostly right. You dont want tons of oil in your combustion chamber. Its done this way mainly for an emissions standpoint. However with high power cars there tends to be more blowby, hence wanting a catch can.
2. Wha? He is talking about a catch can, with a supplemental filter between the catch can and the intake manifold. Mind you, at this point most of the oil has been separated and and trapped in the catch can.
3. Dude, you're wrong. It doesnt lube the turbo unless its in the center cartridge. All its going to do going thru the intake of a turbo is gunk it up, and gunk up your charge pipes. You DO NOT want that, trust me.
4. he wasn't arguing that.
Settle down, just because you misunderstand his diagram and what he's saying doesnt give you right to assume he's the idiot. Stop being so ignorant.
1.You're mostly right. You dont want tons of oil in your combustion chamber. Its done this way mainly for an emissions standpoint. However with high power cars there tends to be more blowby, hence wanting a catch can.
2. Wha? He is talking about a catch can, with a supplemental filter between the catch can and the intake manifold. Mind you, at this point most of the oil has been separated and and trapped in the catch can.
3. Dude, you're wrong. It doesnt lube the turbo unless its in the center cartridge. All its going to do going thru the intake of a turbo is gunk it up, and gunk up your charge pipes. You DO NOT want that, trust me.
4. he wasn't arguing that.
Settle down, just because you misunderstand his diagram and what he's saying doesnt give you right to assume he's the idiot. Stop being so ignorant.
3. Read above. I said it only helps a bit for the lubrication, but does harm in the big picture
- I don't misunderstand something that is clearly posted/said, and I haven't assumed that he's an idiot. What I guessed and what I assumed, is posted above.
12-22-2006, 02:20 PM
#22
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Re: catch can set-up i have searched!!!!!
Originally Posted by miro_gt
I guessed right - you don't know much about the PCV.... My assumption was wrong ...
I only said that the oil that gets in the compessor helps for the lubrication, becasue that oil gets everywhere in the compressor howsing, and therefore goes on the shaft of the turbo behind the compressor wheel, and that's where it only HELPS a little for the lubrication. Damn, I have to explain like to a 6-year-old ...
Here's another guess:
- your car overheats like a steam roller when you boost for more than 30 min.
- you have an oil leak on your breather on the valve cover
good luck
I only said that the oil that gets in the compessor helps for the lubrication, becasue that oil gets everywhere in the compressor howsing, and therefore goes on the shaft of the turbo behind the compressor wheel, and that's where it only HELPS a little for the lubrication. Damn, I have to explain like to a 6-year-old ...
Here's another guess:
- your car overheats like a steam roller when you boost for more than 30 min.
- you have an oil leak on your breather on the valve cover
good luck
WOW you are HORRIBLE at guessing.
I daily drive this bitch everywhere to work to school on trips and i have NEVER EVER bumped the temperature over stock....EVER.. so keep ------- guessingAnd i don't have a drop out of the breather on the valve cover.. do you want to lick it? you wont taste any oil
Your "theory" about lubricating the turbo is completely wrong. there is a seal, preventing any of the oil from going into the center cartridge. this seal prevents the oil in the center cartridge (which is lubricating the turbo) from ever touching your compressor/exhaust wheel or housing.... so AGIAN i state that you are spraying oil and other contamenents onto your compressor wheel and housing which SHOULD NOT BE THERE.
if your compressor wheel needed to be lubricated, then every turbo in the world would seize up right now because of those dang nignog seals that keep the oil in the center cartridge.Im not trying to start a fight, but your judgements are clearly incorrect and im trying to stop the ------ of misinformation
-Luke
12-22-2006, 02:25 PM
#23
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Re: catch can set-up i have searched!!!!!
Originally Posted by miro_gt
2. As I said before, oil gets through the catch cans .....
3. Read above. I said it only helps a bit for the lubrication, but does harm in the big picture
- I don't misunderstand something that is clearly posted/said, and I haven't assumed that he's an idiot. What I guessed and what I assumed, is posted above.
3. Read above. I said it only helps a bit for the lubrication, but does harm in the big picture
- I don't misunderstand something that is clearly posted/said, and I haven't assumed that he's an idiot. What I guessed and what I assumed, is posted above.
3. It does not help at all. Any friction points of the shaft with the turbine housing are in the center section, sealed, oiled, and have bearings. There are no friction points in need of lubrication in the compressor housing. All that is going to happen is the oil cooks in your compressor housing (because it does get very hot) and will eventually build up and start getting int he way of the wheel spinning.
someone get this guy outta here.
12-24-2006, 12:01 AM
#24
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Re: catch can set-up i have searched!!!!!
[lkailburn], you're ------- retarded ... now go to your car, open the hood, look under you ------' breather on your valve cover, and make yourself a note that THERE IS OIL GOING OUT OF THE DAMN BREATHER .... .. and your sorry *** car can't boost too much with the stock half-*** radiator ... Well, it can, if you run like 3psi .. LMAO
[s1ngle], I bet I've tested more PCV systems than you've done girls in your life, so please, don't ask me about the purpose of the catch cans, or how the stock PCV works ... If you wanna keep arguing about whether or not spraying oil in the compressor housing of a turbo helps for the lubrication, then I can draw you a damn picture and prove you that it helps. But I've never said how much it helps - which is like 0.001 % of the whole lubrication game. And that's when the oil gets behind the compressor wheel, and touches the shaft at the place where it passes through the first ring.
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And if you think that the turbo seals stop 100% of the oil from getting into the compressor housing, or into the exhaust housing, then you're stupid kids. Well, that's obvious for [lkailburn] at least ..
I'm done here. At least I tried to help before you sorry asses started arguing that way ...
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Oh, last thing - you can NOT run a Tee before the catch can .... but hell, if I try to explain that, it will sound like a rocket science here.
[s1ngle], I bet I've tested more PCV systems than you've done girls in your life, so please, don't ask me about the purpose of the catch cans, or how the stock PCV works ... If you wanna keep arguing about whether or not spraying oil in the compressor housing of a turbo helps for the lubrication, then I can draw you a damn picture and prove you that it helps. But I've never said how much it helps - which is like 0.001 % of the whole lubrication game. And that's when the oil gets behind the compressor wheel, and touches the shaft at the place where it passes through the first ring.
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And if you think that the turbo seals stop 100% of the oil from getting into the compressor housing, or into the exhaust housing, then you're stupid kids. Well, that's obvious for [lkailburn] at least ..
I'm done here. At least I tried to help before you sorry asses started arguing that way ...
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Oh, last thing - you can NOT run a Tee before the catch can .... but hell, if I try to explain that, it will sound like a rocket science here.
12-24-2006, 04:12 PM
#25
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Re: catch can set-up i have searched!!!!!
Originally Posted by miro_gt
[lkailburn], you're ------- retarded ... now go to your car, open the hood, look under you ------' breather on your valve cover, and make yourself a note that THERE IS OIL GOING OUT OF THE DAMN BREATHER .... .. and your sorry *** car can't boost too much with the stock half-*** radiator ... Well, it can, if you run like 3psi .. LMAO
[s1ngle], I bet I've tested more PCV systems than you've done girls in your life, so please, don't ask me about the purpose of the catch cans, or how the stock PCV works ... If you wanna keep arguing about whether or not spraying oil in the compressor housing of a turbo helps for the lubrication, then I can draw you a damn picture and prove you that it helps. But I've never said how much it helps - which is like 0.001 % of the whole lubrication game. And that's when the oil gets behind the compressor wheel, and touches the shaft at the place where it passes through the first ring.
--
And if you think that the turbo seals stop 100% of the oil from getting into the compressor housing, or into the exhaust housing, then you're stupid kids. Well, that's obvious for [lkailburn] at least ..
I'm done here. At least I tried to help before you sorry asses started arguing that way ...
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Oh, last thing - you can NOT run a Tee before the catch can .... but hell, if I try to explain that, it will sound like a rocket science here.
[s1ngle], I bet I've tested more PCV systems than you've done girls in your life, so please, don't ask me about the purpose of the catch cans, or how the stock PCV works ... If you wanna keep arguing about whether or not spraying oil in the compressor housing of a turbo helps for the lubrication, then I can draw you a damn picture and prove you that it helps. But I've never said how much it helps - which is like 0.001 % of the whole lubrication game. And that's when the oil gets behind the compressor wheel, and touches the shaft at the place where it passes through the first ring.
--
And if you think that the turbo seals stop 100% of the oil from getting into the compressor housing, or into the exhaust housing, then you're stupid kids. Well, that's obvious for [lkailburn] at least ..
I'm done here. At least I tried to help before you sorry asses started arguing that way ...
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Oh, last thing - you can NOT run a Tee before the catch can .... but hell, if I try to explain that, it will sound like a rocket science here.
how many times do i have to ------- tell you. i boost 10psi daily..for over a year now. to work, to school, on trips and i don't over heat. what part of that don't you ------- understand. do you want me to make a pole of how many people here have daily driven hmt setups using a stock radiator and fan?!??! hundreds, thousands of setups use the stock radiator and fan and don't have any overheating issues. if you so apparentely have overheating issues you might want to check your headgasket
i would so love to continue arguing against your dumb *** but its apparent your thick skull doesn't let much into that tiny brain. so im done aswell.
oh.. one last thing.. check the "POLE: How many boosted people overheat with stock rad/fan?" thread i just made. BWHAHAHHA
-Luke
12-24-2006, 09:02 PM
#26
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Re: catch can set-up i have searched!!!!!
Originally Posted by ej1 wilcox
I don't know why people make this so complicated.
Just gut the PCV and run a hose to the ground, and another from the VC to the ground. Done.
Just gut the PCV and run a hose to the ground, and another from the VC to the ground. Done.
I didn't gut mine and both lines go to a can. This is sooooooooo easy. EXCELLENT post, buddy. Screw that slashcut exhaust crap.
Quick question though: I just made a new can and it's a real can with fittings and a drain and it is air tight. Is this still okay? My previous setups were vented Gatorade bottles.
JP
12-24-2006, 10:16 PM
#27
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Re: catch can set-up i have searched!!!!!
God I'm sick of these posts.
You don't need a vac source for a catch can setup. What are you trying to achieve with a catch can setup? Two things; 1) vent crankcase pressure and 2) to catch oil. Think about it. Your crankcase can't be pressurized if you have a vent to atmosphere. The setups like EJ and others have suggested achieves that. People also put filters on their valvecovers. Since oil can get out this way, many people put a can in. If you run lines from you valvecover/block to a catch can, and put a filter on it (atmospheric reference), you're golden. Is it that hard for you to understand? You don't need a vac source.
You don't need a vac source for a catch can setup. What are you trying to achieve with a catch can setup? Two things; 1) vent crankcase pressure and 2) to catch oil. Think about it. Your crankcase can't be pressurized if you have a vent to atmosphere. The setups like EJ and others have suggested achieves that. People also put filters on their valvecovers. Since oil can get out this way, many people put a can in. If you run lines from you valvecover/block to a catch can, and put a filter on it (atmospheric reference), you're golden. Is it that hard for you to understand? You don't need a vac source.
12-24-2006, 10:39 PM
#28
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Re: catch can set-up i have searched!!!!!
Originally Posted by ej1 wilcox
I don't know why people make this so complicated.
Just gut the PCV and run a hose to the ground, and another from the VC to the ground. Done.
Just gut the PCV and run a hose to the ground, and another from the VC to the ground. Done.
12-24-2006, 10:43 PM
#29
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Re: catch can set-up i have searched!!!!!
they way i did mine and i have figured it out was one from stock pcv to can and valve cover to can in boost it opens pcv and into the can which has vent holes in the top of it. i just didnt understand why so many do it so many diff. ways i dont know why these OTHER 2 ***** insist on going back and forth how to do it and how not to do it do it you own way if you blow yur ------- ringlands you know you did it wrong!!!
12-24-2006, 10:55 PM
#30
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Re: catch can set-up i have searched!!!!!
Originally Posted by Snafubmx234
God I'm sick of these posts.
You don't need a vac source for a catch can setup. What are you trying to achieve with a catch can setup? Two things; 1) vent crankcase pressure and 2) to catch oil. Think about it. Your crankcase can't be pressurized if you have a vent to atmosphere. The setups like EJ and others have suggested achieves that. People also put filters on their valvecovers. Since oil can get out this way, many people put a can in. If you run lines from you valvecover/block to a catch can, and put a filter on it (atmospheric reference), you're golden. Is it that hard for you to understand? You don't need a vac source.
You don't need a vac source for a catch can setup. What are you trying to achieve with a catch can setup? Two things; 1) vent crankcase pressure and 2) to catch oil. Think about it. Your crankcase can't be pressurized if you have a vent to atmosphere. The setups like EJ and others have suggested achieves that. People also put filters on their valvecovers. Since oil can get out this way, many people put a can in. If you run lines from you valvecover/block to a catch can, and put a filter on it (atmospheric reference), you're golden. Is it that hard for you to understand? You don't need a vac source.
that was a rhetorical quesiton. i don't want you to actually begin blabbering because anything you say to argue would be incorrect. its proven that a vacuum system is more effective. that is why people spend so much money on a air pump just for their pcv system.
am i trying to say that a vented system is inneffective
NOO not at all. it is effective, however, using some simple methodology you can construct a highly effective vacuumed pcv system without any fancy expensive equipment.everyone has there own version of a PCV system. it just all depends on how much you want to put into it. this is the same as any project. when building an HMT setup, someone could always suggest a better product (ie, chipped ecu vs vafc for managment). do both work..yes, is one setup better? yes. thats all i was trying to argue.
Merry xmas everyone,
-Luke
