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now i have some extra cash to finally finish building my z6 but this complete b18a1 (cable tranny) swap came up. i dont know what to do as in when both setups are done id probably be around the same whp (240-260)

either a the built z6 and my .42 .48 at 18psi, tt rods, vitaras, acl bearings, arp studs, metal hg, xtd stg 3

or swap in an N/A ls (hasport cable to hydro, other mounts, axles, clutch) and slowly piece together the stuff to boost it (mani, turbo, dp, external wg)

and yes, i already have a rope. ill use it when i figure out what im doing.

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Your turbo is too small for either.

Assuming you had at least some sort of T3/T4, I'd take the built D. You won't have to buy a retardedly expensive tranny (although they do feel nice) so you can use what you have and save money on that and the hydro conversion kit, mounts, axles, etc.

Built D ftw, it's really an option of if you want to waste money or not at this point. It will be cheaper and you can make more torque, with less risk of blowing up.

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i have a t bird turbo possibly on the way, the thing is i dont know if its the .60 .63 or the .48 .60... also ive looked at 57 trim t3/t4s and i would be upgrading towards the end of winter either way.

oh and i know about the t3 being way to small for the ls, just another bulk of $ i dont even have to throw out.

thanks for the feedback, anyone else?

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The 63/60 T3 would be ok on an LS, still too small for a built D.

Aim higher son.

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suggestions for 300whp or so

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Built D with TT rods+vitaras has been proven 400HP+ many times

You can do 300HP with a stock LS, but it will cost more after all the bullshit you need.

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i meant a choice on a snail to get me there, sorry for the lack of info

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My build for last year:

LS short block $100
LS head $free
Delta cams $95

Cable YS1 tranny $130
Holset hy35 $200

You just have to stay away from the homo HT prices and b-series isnt that expensive.

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yeah well the ls swap available to me is 500 for motor/tranny/ecu (b18a1) i dont need the ecu, and im going to have to buy a cable to hydro since my car is an eg. then i need DC mounts, dc linkage, new mani, etc. unless i find someone to trade hydro for the cable tranny.

but on the other side for the d series im going to need to upgrade the map sensor, and get bigger injectors because im not going to rock a built d and not take it to its potential.

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You'd need a new map sensor and bigger injectors either way, can't take those as an added cost of choosing the D.

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D-series power!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :y :6

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sounds like the D is the cheaper alternative in your case, and yeah you need a bigger spinny thing

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My goal, after my current setup is done, is to build a nasty D. Got to love that single cam.

I say build it, get a nice fatty turbo, and call it a day.

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leaning towards ls... ill know in a few hours

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LS ftw, and that's coming from a former D-series fan.

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LS-T is awesome and the T3 .60/.63 is a great choice too, I love my car it rps pretty well for s stock LS with a T3 ;D

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i bought the ls, pickin it up next wed. anyone have any dc mounts/linkage laying around? :P

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ls

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yeah dude, i bought the ls this is what ive gathered taht i will need to drop that fucker in my car (94 civic)

its from a 92 so its obd1

b18a1 axles

hasport cable to hydro conversion

DC integra linkage

DC integra rear tranny mount

DC integra cam gear side mount + engine bracket

hydro vss from my ex tranny

any b-series throttle cable

civic harness

is this all correct? i hope so because the swap will begin in the next few weeks.

what about radiator hoses? can i use my stock civic ones?

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read my sig. 405 hp / 314 ft-lbs
only mods are eagle rods, arp headstuds, vitara pistons.
much cheaper than an ls swap imo.

d-series block $50
d-series head $50
cant get much cheaper than a d

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Add up your race gas bill at the end of the year and get back to me.

Plus, you just bought the car, you didn't build it.

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I would have gone with the d mainly because spare blocks and heads are cheap. Plus the look on peoples faces when they find out they got their ass handed to them by a d is priceless

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race gas = $0
i run pump gas. plus there is an exhaust leak between the turbo and manifold that the previous owner didnt know about. no gasket.


yes i bought the car so whats your point. i still know what im talking about here. there are numerous others with this settup making 300+ hp. face it son, its cheaper than an ls swap. max youre going to make on an ls with stock internals 300~hp. ls swap cost more and makes less power. :1 whats your point. you aint gonna win kid. something thats cheaper and makes more power is hard to argue with. anything with a b series is alot more costly than a d.

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i vote built D cuz thats what i have!! I LOVE IT!!!! pulls great at just 10psi on a regular t3.....cant imagine how it would be with a bigger turbo, more boost, and tuned to perfection :6

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Yeah it costs more and makes less power in stock form. But there comes a transition where you build both motors, and the ls outperforms the d. I didn't say a "built" ls will always outperform a "built" d, but it's a more powerful foundation. That's pretty hard to argue with too.

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get a stock ls, whats easier then just having to bolt everything on and go, ---- d series, they are ----, even when you build it thats time down, stock ls=300whp all day long, slap a b16 or gsr tranny on that stock turbo ls and its even better ;D

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wow, ok the whole ls cost me $700 with everything to put it in, all i need is a $200 cable to hydro conversion if i cant find anyone to trade me a hydro tranny for my cable tranny. so 900 altogether. a d block, head, gasket kit, pistons, rods, bearings, and studs is up there in price. plus having something with more potential then a d is what made me go with the ls. besides on a stock motor i can make 3/4 of what you make on a built motor. how long is your d going to last on 400whp? no offense but even the previous owner stated he was selling the car because he wasnt sure how long the d would last running 11s all the time. theres stock b18s out there that have been boosted for 5+ years making high ~300whp and dont miss a beat.

but dont get me wrong, i love your car haha.

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no offense taken,
the whole motor build including labor for a built d should be somewhere around $1,000, and i can get it built for that if you wish. if you do it yourself figure about half that. so as far as cost is comes pretty close to what youre paying. reliability depends more on the assembly, cleanliness, and tune rather than the parts being used. tune is the most important in my book and i cannot emphesize this enough. the car runs just fine today after 100+ passes being raced. but if youre interested in 300 hp give or take a few then go for it. the ls is a good motor making nice low compression for boosting. its just going to cost more to build or replace any part thats a b series. the voting came pretty close to being split between the 2. so i guess to each his own. im happy with my d. nothing like killing vettes with a single cam.

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The problem is your near the end of the limit headwise on a D.

I'm at 300 dollars for my LS swap, axles, tranny, engine, shift linkage, and mounts.


The guy in the vette doesn't car what engine you have.

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youre right the stock head does limit hp past redline. but power from 4500 to redline is plenty. nothing a p/p and cam cant handle.like i said the head is stock. along with the tb, intake, and cam.
very good for you. thats a very good price. you get a cookie.

probobly not. hes more interested in looking fast

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Meh, no need to take it the wrong way, but I'm willing to spend 300 bucks to get a better base. The only reason I was playing with D engines is because I could pick up what people were throwing away. I still am, LS parts are just as cheap.

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anyway i planned to build my z6 with vitaras and rods but this ls swap came up right when i had the cash to start buying parts so i said wtf and went with the ls.

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sorry but not ONCE did i ever say i was selling that car because i wasnt sure it would last...as a matter of fact the car was NOT for sale when drunkinmaster approached me...but money talks and he talked loud lol im 110% positive that the motor i built will outlast any stock b18b...and good luck getting 400whp from a ls motor and not spending 3-5k on it. hp for hp and dollar for dollar there is NOTHING out there than can compete with a vitara eagle built d-series motor...i repeat NOTHING. hell the money you spent on the ls swap, i built the vitara motor and had enough money left over to take the homies to the bar and buy drinks all night long. i was into that motor 540 bucks TOTAL. i was into the turbo kit 1400 TOTAL...you show me any platform that you can make 400+whp for 2g's....aint gonna happen.

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the man does have a point :y.

if you want alot of power for cheap and could care less about head limitations then the vitara D is the way to go, but if you want to spend twice as much for the same power just to say you can go more if you want to then the LS turbo is it.

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and the discussion of the ls having more potential is bs as well. cause the ls head flows worse than the d16. so you spend all the money on a big turbo setup, built block, and your still limited by the shitty ls head and cams...same boat as the d16 (but at this point the d still makes more hp and cost 1/2 as much)...but by the time you buy a set of cams, and intake mani for your ls, i could buy a cam, fully p&p head, springs retainers, intake mani, enough ---- to make power to 9k and make more hp and more tq than an ls...anyway you look at it d16>ls anyday of the week and 6 times on thursday. :S

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^^ true story

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kiss ass

you never said on d-series or any honda forum you wanted 10s which helped in parting with the car?

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also i never said the ls route was cheaper, i said to just get the ls swapped into my car (NOT BOOSTED!) would cost as much to build the bottom end and throw some headstuds in my z6 and all the little stuff (gaskets, etc.)

i did say "besides on a stock motor i can make 3/4 of what you make on a built motor."

on a settling note of course if i spent the $ that i spent on the ls swap i can make more power with the z6 i ALREADY have, i just wanted a change from sohc. this is my daily driver and right now i dont have the time or money to deal with a motor put together by me, first motor put together by me that is.