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aleks77 05-07-2006 03:42 PM

Boosting my F22a1, T3 60trim 42-48, good size turbo? *pix*
 
Deleted, getting a t3/04E trim .48/.60 stage 1 wheel 57trim :6

Please scroll down as i have unanswered questions about the turbo mani that im going to buy! Thanks!

zestyskater69 05-08-2006 01:48 AM

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I have never used that turbo, but its almost a garuentee that it will not hold boost till redline. try a .48/.60, you'll be happy you did :y

bigdaddyvtec 05-08-2006 05:07 AM

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Okay im sick of typing my setup out, but i DO have a boosted f22 (b1) (you can search my posts and find out more if you like, Ive typed it in lots...) not tryimg to be a dick... im just lazy...LOL

I run a t3/04e 48/60 ar 57 trim, stage 3 wheel... @ 10psi 260 whp/270 tq...of course there is much more to the power ya get than just the snail, but.. the turbo im using supports 400-425 hp (should your goals change...and they will!!!). this is on a conservative tune too.... Id sya that turbo is a tad on the itsy bitsy side.... But JMO. I get full boost by 33-3500, and it pulls like a train till 6500.

In short i KNOW for a fact that a turbo like the one im using would make you a very very happy man!!! O0

aleks77 05-09-2006 02:18 AM

Re: Boosting my F22a1, T3 60trim 42-48, good size turbo? *pix*
 
Hmm ya im gonna go with a t3/04e sounds like a good turbo :) and when my goals do change i wont have to upgrade it ;) another question is, should i get internally gated one or get an external gate?

thanks guys :6

bigdaddyvtec 05-09-2006 03:03 AM

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If I were you Id run the external. If you have the money you cant beat a TIAL... Im running one of their 38mm units with .5 bar spring (im using a Hallman pro RX Manual Boost controller to controll boost levels) LSD motorsportsmakes great manifolds too... plus great customer service, deals for the more ya buy too, btw they have tial stuff in stock..


yardy8301 05-09-2006 10:52 AM

Re: Boosting my F22a1, T3 60trim 42-48, good size turbo? *pix*
 
if all you want is 190whp you dont have to change anything. the turbo you have now will more than support that. people make more than that on 14bs.


im running a t3 60 trim .60 compressor side and .48 exhaust. it was good enough to get 245whp and 241tq (on a f22b1) @10psi.

for the wastegate, if you have the maney then go external. if not internal will do fine.

HMTdmc 05-09-2006 07:07 PM

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I'm in the process of building a kit for my f22a1. I'm pretty pissed though my turbo came today it was supposed to be a stock 16g from an 04 evo turns out it's a blown 16g from a 90s talon :7

I bought insurance from paypal though and should get my cash back.

But yeah like these guys are saying you need at least 48/60 t3 to be happy.

accordepicenter 05-09-2006 10:26 PM

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if you stick with a T3 at least get a 60/63 it rips pretty good for sub 300whp apps

Zeusfire69 05-10-2006 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by zestyskater69
I have never used that turbo, but its almost a garuentee that it will not hold boost till redline. try a .42/.60, you'll be happy you did :y

I Agree, the turbine is pretty small for your app. It will spool up really quick but it probly won't pull all the way to redline. I had one that was too small on my B16 at first too. It was frustrating, it would pull hard until 5500 and then just stop pulling. It's plenty of turbo to make the power, but the turbine is soo small you won't get to use all the motor. For that motor, I would suggest at least a .48 stage 3 or a .63 a/r turbine. As for the compressor, a 60trim will make your power goal. But as the sun rises, you WILL want more power. Get a Hybrid. T3/T04b or T3T04e with at least a .50 trim compressor. You will be happier with the way it "hits" too.
Put yours up on ebay, you should probly be able to come close to an even trade for a better turbo for your application. Who knows, mabe someone on here has one they would like to trade.

aleks77 05-24-2006 01:39 AM

Re: Boosting my F22a1, T3 60trim 42-48, good size turbo? *pix*
 
i cant seem to find a 48/60 57 trim turbo anywhere, ebay had nothing basically except crap like XS Power, i want a real brand name turbo, where else can i get one for a good price?

thanks!

WTF 05-24-2006 03:43 AM

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hey you wana sell me that t3 for my civic, my turbo just took a turn for the worse

p ya and i always wanted to boost one of my accords.. hope u get your kit installed

BLAAST 05-24-2006 07:24 AM

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at a minimum, you would need to upgrade that compressor for a t3 60 trim 0.60 a-r to make a 190 whp with good reliability. this upgrade would be cheaper than a new turbo.

Here's some reall garrett warrantied t3-t04'S starting at 445$ only. http://www.blaastperformance.com/index.php?p=t3t04bv

HMTdmc 05-24-2006 04:09 PM

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Blaast is a good company to do business with.I called them up and one of them helped me make a decision on the blown turbo I was sold. He said they could rebuild it for 200 but considering i only had 250 in it he said i should just get my money back and buy a new one.
they sell a big 16g to and it only costs about 450 new.

bigdaddyvtec 05-24-2006 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BLAAST
at a minimum, you would need to upgrade that compressor for a t3 60 trim 0.60 a-r to make a 190 whp with good reliability. this upgrade would be cheaper than a new turbo.

Here's some reall garrett warrantied t3-t04'S starting at 445$ only. http://www.blaastperformance.com/index.php?p=t3t04bv

x2

Garrett T3/T04E 57 trim - 175-425 HP $445 -500

Oscar 05-24-2006 06:53 PM

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.42??? holy instant boost!

bigdaddyvtec 05-24-2006 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by d112crzy
.42??? holy instant boost!

nah he said hes going with a 48/60 t3/04

Oscar 05-24-2006 07:56 PM

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o, ok. good. thats a better choice. still a little to soon imo, but good. he'll prolly see full boost around 3200ish.

jacob_kohler 05-24-2006 08:31 PM

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Better than a dsm td04

Oscar 05-24-2006 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jacob_kohler
Better than a dsm td04

eh, theyre about the same. a .48 is about the same as a 14b.

aleks77 05-24-2006 09:04 PM

Re: Boosting my F22a1, T3 60trim 42-48, good size turbo? *pix*
 
so the one on blaast website is a good choice? you guys talk about "T3/T04E 57 trim" and blast has that and a "T3/T04B "V" Trim" is this the same thing basically?

Also should i spend the extra $40 and get watercooled? or spend extra $30 and get the 0.63/0.60? i will eventually build the JDM motor and want over 300whp, it says the .48 only supports to 300?

thanks a lot guys!

bigdaddyvtec 05-25-2006 04:34 AM

Re: Boosting my F22a1, T3 60trim 42-48, good size turbo? *pix*
 

Originally Posted by aleks77
so the one on blaast website is a good choice? you guys talk about "T3/T04E 57 trim" and blast has that and a "T3/T04B "V" Trim" is this the same thing basically?

Also should i spend the extra $40 and get watercooled? or spend extra $30 and get the 0.63/0.60? i will eventually build the JDM motor and want over 300whp, it says the .48 only supports to 300?

thanks a lot guys!

t3/04E trim .48/.60 stage 3wheel 57trim good to 400-425 HP.

Mine pulls HARD ALL THE WAY TO REDLINE (6500) You can get housings (new) for 150-200... If I were you I would get the turbo mentioned above, I DID.... and after your build if you decide you want a later spool change it then. I have a f22b1 and the turbo above and its a ------ monster in my heavy cd5/full interior and subs. 13.89 on street tires and shitttty 60's. 260 whp and 270 tq at 10psi conservatively tuned... Gonna turn it up to 15-16 soon after i put head studs in it. Ive beat the ---- out of my setup every day for 6-7 months, and the motor has 155,000 on it... f motors are TOUGH, and mine hasnt shown any signs of bad juju yet. Compression's good, dont burn oil. NO smoke.

I tell myself I love the car every time i drive it and stand on the gas in second gear and the front end comes unglued (with a BIG cheesy grin)

Trust me.... PM me your number if you want to chat, ill call you on my dime...

Spiker

WTF 05-25-2006 04:49 AM

Re: Boosting my F22a1, T3 60trim 42-48, good size turbo? *pix*
 
u guys make me miss my accords.. so ya wana dump that t3 let me know

BLAAST 05-25-2006 08:43 AM

Re: Boosting my F22a1, T3 60trim 42-48, good size turbo? *pix*
 
Yeah, those 50 trim T3 with 0.42 a/r are easy to find at the junk yard but they're not that good for us. I don't sell any because they run out of breath above 200 HP and i know most people will run more than that.

Yes sure watercooling is a wonderfull thing for the price and ease of install.
it reduces your after idling times, extends the life of your turbo as well as the frequency of your oil changes.

Oscar 05-25-2006 09:22 AM

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imo, go big or go home. dont get a turbine smaller than .70, and no compressor smaller than .82 >:D

or get nothing smaller than a gt35

bigdaddyvtec 05-25-2006 01:44 PM

Re: Boosting my F22a1, T3 60trim 42-48, good size turbo? *pix*
 

Originally Posted by d112crzy
imo, go big or go home. dont get a turbine smaller than .70, and no compressor smaller than .82 >:D

or get nothing smaller than a gt35

Ya but even with like a stage 1 wheel.....a .82 exhuast turbine would be a joke on a motor that only spins 6500 rpms...a 63 is doable and might get a few more hp up top, but the powerband of the stage 3 57 trim 48 hoiusing on the f22b1 is ridiculous...I mean max power at 6200, max tq at 4750 fu;; boost by 3500.... FUN TIMES MAN....the tq curve is almost flat from like 3700 all the way up to max hp...... 260 whp /270 tq


Unless yopur gonna do some serious headwork on the SOHC's valvetrain anything above the 63 would be a waste... the 48 in the stage 3 57 trim is perfect


BLAAST 05-25-2006 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by d112crzy
imo, go big or go home. dont get a turbine smaller than .70, and no compressor smaller than .82 >:D

or get nothing smaller than a gt35

actually the smallest turbo able to meet your power goals wth good efficiency is the best one. The bigger you go over that, will give you nothing but lag.

yardy8301 05-25-2006 04:10 PM

Re: Boosting my F22a1, T3 60trim 42-48, good size turbo? *pix*
 

Originally Posted by bigdaddyvtec
t3/04E trim .48/.60 stage 3wheel 57trim good to 400-425 HP.

Mine pulls HARD ALL THE WAY TO REDLINE (6500) You can get housings (new) for 150-200... If I were you I would get the turbo mentioned above, I DID.... and after your build if you decide you want a later spool change it then. I have a f22b1 and the turbo above and its a ------ monster in my heavy cd5/full interior and subs. 13.89 on street tires and shitttty 60's. 260 whp and 270 tq at 10psi conservatively tuned... Gonna turn it up to 15-16 soon after i put head studs in it. Ive beat the ---- out of my setup every day for 6-7 months, and the motor has 155,000 on it... f motors are TOUGH, and mine hasnt shown any signs of bad juju yet. Compression's good, dont burn oil. NO smoke.

I tell myself I love the car every time i drive it and stand on the gas in second gear and the front end comes unglued (with a BIG cheesy grin)

Trust me.... PM me your number if you want to chat, ill call you on my dime...

Spiker

let me know how the 15psi treats you. im planning on a bigger turbo and maybe 14-15psi myself on the stock block. 300whp isnt too far away. should be fun. need to get a fuel pump first though. also thinking about water injection for the track.

i think accords are cursed with shitty 60's so you arent alone there. good luck.

bigdaddyvtec 05-25-2006 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by yardy8301
let me know how the 15psi treats you. im planning on a bigger turbo and maybe 14-15psi myself on the stock block. 300whp isnt too far away. should be fun. need to get a fuel pump first though. also thinking about water injection for the track.

i think accords are cursed with shitty 60's so you arent alone there. good luck.

word son! O0

Oscar 05-25-2006 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by BLAAST
actually the smallest turbo able to meet your power goals wth good efficiency is the best one. The bigger you go over that, will give you nothing but lag.

that is true. which is why im building up my engine like no other. and its not the stock engine, still an F tho. only thing im not doing is resleeving.

aleks77 05-26-2006 01:26 AM

Re: Boosting my F22a1, T3 60trim 42-48, good size turbo? *pix*
 
I found the turbo below for sale, its BRAND NEW for $350 shipped, i think its a great deal, not sure if the 60 trim is good for me or not?

Garrett / Airesearch T3 .48/60 60trim

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL697.../106565621.jpg

bigdaddyvtec 05-26-2006 01:40 AM

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that compressor outlet/inlet looks really small. stick with the t3/04e 57 trim

Oscar 05-26-2006 02:07 AM

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thats a small wheel.

BLAAST 05-26-2006 07:21 AM

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THat's a t3 60 trim. it's most probably remanufactured which is ok.

It's perfect for boosting the f22 and other 100-150 HP cars into the 250 HP range.

WHat sucks on this turbo is the compressor flanges and gaskets that you have to custom fabricate.

I do have the exact same specs t3 48/60 turbo but with conventional spouts on the compressor on which you can slide some silicone couplers but it's 400$


yardy8301 05-26-2006 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by aleks77
I found the turbo below for sale, its BRAND NEW for $350 shipped, i think its a great deal, not sure if the 60 trim is good for me or not?

Garrett / Airesearch T3 .48/60 60trim

[img]http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL697/2521793/5001527/106565621.jpg[img]


i have the same turbo. ebay or for sale section here is a good place to find the compressor inlet and oulet pipes.

looking on my dyno results, it had power all the way to redline. no drop off at all. id say this is the perfect budget turbo.

BLAAST 05-28-2006 12:03 PM

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Yep. A very good and economic work horse.
power with this turbo will start to drop off up top only if you're making over 260HP or somewhere around there.

St.Taint 05-28-2006 01:32 PM

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Just for the record, a standard T3 with a .42 A/R compressor housing is going to have a 45 trim compressor wheel, not a 60. The only standard T3 to have a 50 trim comes with a 1.06 A/R exhaust housing. Standard T3 compressor wheels have an OD of 2.37", The inside diameter of the 60 trim is 1.83", 50 trim is 1.67" and 45 trim is 1.59".

BLAAST 05-28-2006 01:49 PM

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the 45 trim is not any more standard than the 50 or the 60 trim. They are all t3 turbos.

accordepicenter 05-28-2006 02:17 PM

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So you know, all of the saab T3 42/48 and dodge 42/48s are 50 trims :P

aleks77 05-28-2006 04:08 PM

Re: Boosting my F22a1, T3 60trim 42-48, good size turbo? *pix*
 
thanks for all the replies guys! Im gettin myself a blaast manifold equal lenghth headers (pic below) it comes with a 2.5" downpipe, and im wondering if thats big enough for my first goal, which is 200-230whp, im pretty sure i will need a 3" when i hit over 300whp with the new engine.

Thank you!

http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/6154/jeaders7nu.jpg
http://img60.imageshack.us/img60/6811/mounted2ji.jpg

St.Taint 05-28-2006 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BLAAST
We never talked about any 0.42 a/r turbo in this thread.

Original thread title clearly says .42/.48 60 trim....which is incorrect.


Originally Posted by BLAAST
The guy simply asked about, and clearly pictured a 60 trim 0.60 a/r turbo.

And the original post was also editied as well. As said, the original thread title talked about a .42 A/R compressor housing which will have either a 45 trim or 50 trim wheel, not a 60 trim wheel. There is a difference in size as well as a big difference in flow.


Originally Posted by BLAAST
and the 45 trim is not any more standard than the 50 or the 60 trim. They are all t3 turbos.

But there is a big difference between a 45, 50, and 60 trim compressor wheel. Again, the .42 A/R compressor housing does not have a 60 trim wheel. In terms of performance and flow, the 60 trim wheel is the best that you'll find for medium frame T3's.


Originally Posted by BLAAST
So yes, it's really just for the record and a very irrelevant reply.

Only if you're uninformed and think that 60 trim wheels come in .42 A/R housings :-X


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