Banshee turbo efi...
04-09-2007, 08:09 PM
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Re: Banshee turbo efi...
That stator is pimp. How difficult is it to modify/make something like that? Is there a balance between gauge of wire and number of turns? I'd really be interested in making something like that for a Briggs motor, since the stock stators burnout or can't keep up at more than 3600rpm.
04-09-2007, 08:23 PM
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Re: Banshee turbo efi...
Originally Posted by TurboBanshee420
I've been watching you since almost 2 years ago. The first time I tried a turbo on the banshee back in '03 I looked around on the web for info but found nothing. That time I failed because I was using a blow through carb set-up that was.... caput...Very frustrating. So I went back to na. But since then I've been waiting for someone to do something. A short time after I found out about megasquirt and I was going to wait for the production release of the micro....but it's taking to long. Plus I think I've got quite the handle on it this time.
anywho.... like I said, I do a weekly search on google... "turbo banshee" and I found www.mattbonhage.com. That's how I got to know you. I just followed your trail of posts across the web. I think you started your bike about 3 months before I got all my parts together. I've talked to you before on the squirt forum.... hence bansheeboy420.
Well, how's your progress...? I saw that you got it to idle. Are you using spark control or leaving the CDI? I decided to go all out on it this time, spark and all. I have a spare bike to ride now so i don't mind the downtime.
HEY!!!! I have another question.....
The injectors that come on these gxsr's and everything else (pretty much)... They are the small bosch (orange) ones... What are they? EV1....EV6.... cause I have to find some 65lbs'ers for this thing before I can do anything else. I found pigtails @ DIY autotune but noone has injectors that I could find.
If you can help me out with that I would be very apprieciative!
Thanx ~ Ben Gifford
anywho.... like I said, I do a weekly search on google... "turbo banshee" and I found www.mattbonhage.com. That's how I got to know you. I just followed your trail of posts across the web. I think you started your bike about 3 months before I got all my parts together. I've talked to you before on the squirt forum.... hence bansheeboy420.
Well, how's your progress...? I saw that you got it to idle. Are you using spark control or leaving the CDI? I decided to go all out on it this time, spark and all. I have a spare bike to ride now so i don't mind the downtime.
HEY!!!! I have another question.....
The injectors that come on these gxsr's and everything else (pretty much)... They are the small bosch (orange) ones... What are they? EV1....EV6.... cause I have to find some 65lbs'ers for this thing before I can do anything else. I found pigtails @ DIY autotune but noone has injectors that I could find.
If you can help me out with that I would be very apprieciative!
Thanx ~ Ben Gifford
Well good work tracking me down Nancy Drew.
To answer your questions:-I'm using the stock CDI. I wanted to keep things simple to avoid problems so I was going to worry about spark after the turbo was running. I was just going to retard the timing by the stator for low boost.
-As for the injectors I can't help you out.
-I sold my spare bike so now I took all the EFI stuff off my running bike becuase I'd go crazy if I couldn't go riding. I have a spare frame and I'm going to build a motor so hopefully in the summer when I have more time I'll get working on it again. Progress is real slow becuase I just don't have time to work on it and I don't want to rip my running bike apart during riding season.
The EFI actually was pretty easy when I figured out the problems. I wasn't running an ignition module so I wasn't getting a good tach signal. Once I put in a GM 4 pin HEI module (wire it into the 2 white wires for the stator) it fired right up. It started soo easy with the EFI compared to the carbs.
How are you planning on oiling the turbo?
04-09-2007, 08:33 PM
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Re: Banshee turbo efi...
hey whitey i dont think you ever responded to me before.
but i thought it would be possible to use the fuel to lubricate the turbine?
but then i thought you would lose fuel pressure after it exits the turbo, and unless your turbo is higher than your gas tank it wont be able to just fall back into it, or else you put another pump on the return
but now i thinks you could just plumb the return fuel line into the line to the fuel pump, before the pump.
but i thought it would be possible to use the fuel to lubricate the turbine?
but then i thought you would lose fuel pressure after it exits the turbo, and unless your turbo is higher than your gas tank it wont be able to just fall back into it, or else you put another pump on the return
but now i thinks you could just plumb the return fuel line into the line to the fuel pump, before the pump.
04-09-2007, 08:36 PM
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Re: Banshee turbo efi...
Thanks for the answer on the other thread (220 cc/min for the little orange injectors), as I thought, about 19 pounders...
I too, have the dilemma of finding higher flow injectors in a small package. I know that Bosch (Ford) make higher volume (while small size) but I havent got the data regarding exact measurement of those, hence not knowing if they'd fit.
However, I've tried with my old denso injectors in the throttle body and they fitted, pintle cap fits tight in the o-ring. Probably the easy way to find injectors is to use the common automotive injectors, but as a trade off, if you have room, a custom fuel rail must be fabricated. That is probably the way I'll go.
Good luck with your project.
I too, have the dilemma of finding higher flow injectors in a small package. I know that Bosch (Ford) make higher volume (while small size) but I havent got the data regarding exact measurement of those, hence not knowing if they'd fit.
However, I've tried with my old denso injectors in the throttle body and they fitted, pintle cap fits tight in the o-ring. Probably the easy way to find injectors is to use the common automotive injectors, but as a trade off, if you have room, a custom fuel rail must be fabricated. That is probably the way I'll go.
Good luck with your project.
04-09-2007, 08:39 PM
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Re: Banshee turbo efi...
Originally Posted by random-strike
hey whitey i dont think you ever responded to me before.
but i thought it would be possible to use the fuel to lubricate the turbine?
but then i thought you would lose fuel pressure after it exits the turbo, and unless your turbo is higher than your gas tank it wont be able to just fall back into it, or else you put another pump on the return
but now i thinks you could just plumb the return fuel line into the line to the fuel pump, before the pump.
but i thought it would be possible to use the fuel to lubricate the turbine?
but then i thought you would lose fuel pressure after it exits the turbo, and unless your turbo is higher than your gas tank it wont be able to just fall back into it, or else you put another pump on the return
but now i thinks you could just plumb the return fuel line into the line to the fuel pump, before the pump.
I don't know but I'll just stick to using oil for lubrication.
04-10-2007, 12:09 AM
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Re: Banshee turbo efi...
as I said before I will have new pics soon but...
Oiling the turbo is something I had quite a problem with. First I was looking at elec. pumps, but after burning a few up on my first attempt. I'm using a mechanical. Seperated from engine oil. A small catch talk under the turbo. Hard lined to a cover that will bolt to my existing lockout cover... That will house the gear-rotor pump internals taken from a lt-300 suzuki quadrunner. Very small dia. about 1 inch o.d. Since my family and I are all machinists by trade I can have my pops who has lended his hand, help my with that on the HAAS CNC mill. pics will speak the words...
I'm using the spark because last time I fried the whole system on my bike trying to power a fuel pump and making a spark through 10psi of boost. CDI wouldn't do it for me under boost cond. spark literally blew out... So I went with the v.3 ms2 cause it has the ign. coil driver on the board. and a few other things I needed. I machined the center out of a 36-1 ford wheel and fit it over the end plate on my flywheel.(pics) I just have to make a spacer for the pickup coil to move it out another inch or so. Accel GM DIS 2-pole coil from a pontiac 92 grand am 3.1. no module...yet.. maybe....
""""I too, have the dilemma of finding higher flow injectors in a small package. I know that Bosch (Ford) make higher volume (while small size) but I havent got the data regarding exact measurement of those, hence not knowing if they'd fit.
However, I've tried with my old denso injectors in the throttle body and they fitted, pintle cap fits tight in the o-ring. Probably the easy way to find injectors is to use the common automotive injectors, but as a trade off, if you have room, a custom fuel rail must be fabricated. That is probably the way I'll go."""
I found a couple sites from google that all have pics of every kind. but like you said I'm going to have to probably make another rail or bore out the holes that exist. Good thing I bought 2 feet of rail. aahhhh just search "bosch ev1 ev6" and you'll find www.injectors.com and a few others with similar names. they will give you a better veiw.
"""Posted by: TorganFM
That stator is pimp. How difficult is it to modify/make something like that? Is there a balance between gauge of wire and number of turns? I'd really be interested in making something like that for a Briggs motor, since the stock stators burnout or can't keep up at more than 3600rpm. """
I think you should check out the "GSresources" (sp).... That's were I got a good idea about how to wrap it. and also another very important thing to read is...(google) "3 phase basics" It will help you understand how this ---- all works. Even the smartest people should read this article. You can dig even deeper into it then that on google if you search the right things.
basically their is 2 different ways to wind it "wye" and "delta" .... delta is better for more current(amps) because it only is divided by 1 of the 3 phase resistance. and think of the wire as lanes of traffic.... thicker wire, more current but shorter lenghth. thiner = more voltage but less power. that's putting it simply.
L8r ~ B
Oiling the turbo is something I had quite a problem with. First I was looking at elec. pumps, but after burning a few up on my first attempt. I'm using a mechanical. Seperated from engine oil. A small catch talk under the turbo. Hard lined to a cover that will bolt to my existing lockout cover... That will house the gear-rotor pump internals taken from a lt-300 suzuki quadrunner. Very small dia. about 1 inch o.d. Since my family and I are all machinists by trade I can have my pops who has lended his hand, help my with that on the HAAS CNC mill. pics will speak the words...
I'm using the spark because last time I fried the whole system on my bike trying to power a fuel pump and making a spark through 10psi of boost. CDI wouldn't do it for me under boost cond. spark literally blew out... So I went with the v.3 ms2 cause it has the ign. coil driver on the board. and a few other things I needed. I machined the center out of a 36-1 ford wheel and fit it over the end plate on my flywheel.(pics) I just have to make a spacer for the pickup coil to move it out another inch or so. Accel GM DIS 2-pole coil from a pontiac 92 grand am 3.1. no module...yet.. maybe....
""""I too, have the dilemma of finding higher flow injectors in a small package. I know that Bosch (Ford) make higher volume (while small size) but I havent got the data regarding exact measurement of those, hence not knowing if they'd fit.
However, I've tried with my old denso injectors in the throttle body and they fitted, pintle cap fits tight in the o-ring. Probably the easy way to find injectors is to use the common automotive injectors, but as a trade off, if you have room, a custom fuel rail must be fabricated. That is probably the way I'll go."""
I found a couple sites from google that all have pics of every kind. but like you said I'm going to have to probably make another rail or bore out the holes that exist. Good thing I bought 2 feet of rail. aahhhh just search "bosch ev1 ev6" and you'll find www.injectors.com and a few others with similar names. they will give you a better veiw.
"""Posted by: TorganFM
That stator is pimp. How difficult is it to modify/make something like that? Is there a balance between gauge of wire and number of turns? I'd really be interested in making something like that for a Briggs motor, since the stock stators burnout or can't keep up at more than 3600rpm. """
I think you should check out the "GSresources" (sp).... That's were I got a good idea about how to wrap it. and also another very important thing to read is...(google) "3 phase basics" It will help you understand how this ---- all works. Even the smartest people should read this article. You can dig even deeper into it then that on google if you search the right things.
basically their is 2 different ways to wind it "wye" and "delta" .... delta is better for more current(amps) because it only is divided by 1 of the 3 phase resistance. and think of the wire as lanes of traffic.... thicker wire, more current but shorter lenghth. thiner = more voltage but less power. that's putting it simply.
L8r ~ B
04-10-2007, 09:29 AM
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Re: Banshee turbo efi...
Originally Posted by TurboBanshee420
Oiling the turbo is something I had quite a problem with. First I was looking at elec. pumps, but after burning a few up on my first attempt. I'm using a mechanical. Seperated from engine oil. A small catch talk under the turbo. Hard lined to a cover that will bolt to my existing lockout cover... That will house the gear-rotor pump internals taken from a lt-300 suzuki quadrunner. Very small dia. about 1 inch o.d. Since my family and I are all machinists by trade I can have my pops who has lended his hand, help my with that on the HAAS CNC mill. pics will speak the words...
I'm using the spark because last time I fried the whole system on my bike trying to power a fuel pump and making a spark through 10psi of boost. CDI wouldn't do it for me under boost cond. spark literally blew out... So I went with the v.3 ms2 cause it has the ign. coil driver on the board. and a few other things I needed. I machined the center out of a 36-1 ford wheel and fit it over the end plate on my flywheel.(pics) I just have to make a spacer for the pickup coil to move it out another inch or so. Accel GM DIS 2-pole coil from a pontiac 92 grand am 3.1. no module...yet.. maybe....
I'm using the spark because last time I fried the whole system on my bike trying to power a fuel pump and making a spark through 10psi of boost. CDI wouldn't do it for me under boost cond. spark literally blew out... So I went with the v.3 ms2 cause it has the ign. coil driver on the board. and a few other things I needed. I machined the center out of a 36-1 ford wheel and fit it over the end plate on my flywheel.(pics) I just have to make a spacer for the pickup coil to move it out another inch or so. Accel GM DIS 2-pole coil from a pontiac 92 grand am 3.1. no module...yet.. maybe....
What did your electrical system consist of? I'm running a 200W stator, with a 5.5A/H battery. I find it interesting that your CDI couldn't keep up. I'll see how far i can get with mine.
I'm also using a mechanical oil pump. It uses LT230 internal gears in a machined housing. I'm using the swingarm as a tank and an RZ350 sidecover to spin the oil pump.
04-10-2007, 03:15 PM
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Re: Banshee turbo efi...
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What did your electrical system consist of? I'm running a 200W stator, with a 5.5A/H battery. I find it interesting that your CDI couldn't keep up. I'll see how far i can get with mine.
I'm also using a mechanical oil pump. It uses LT230 internal gears in a machined housing. I'm using the swingarm as a tank and an RZ350 sidecover to spin the oil pump. """" ~ Whitey
Word up... I saw that. Good job! If you need a hand with the shaft I can help you. I have a lathe in my garage at home. And I do alot of stuff on the mills at work.
I was also using the ricky stator 200w and all stock components besides that. I made another wire harness from scatch to accommidate the battery, retifier, and fuel pump. It works pretty good until I started making psi. I still have it in my failure box from that project. LOL
anywho... the oil pump... here are some pics I took a week ago so you have an idea of what I'm doing.
Are you going to have any clearance issues under that cover? I'd like to see what you have right now?
What did your electrical system consist of? I'm running a 200W stator, with a 5.5A/H battery. I find it interesting that your CDI couldn't keep up. I'll see how far i can get with mine.
I'm also using a mechanical oil pump. It uses LT230 internal gears in a machined housing. I'm using the swingarm as a tank and an RZ350 sidecover to spin the oil pump. """" ~ Whitey
Word up... I saw that. Good job! If you need a hand with the shaft I can help you. I have a lathe in my garage at home. And I do alot of stuff on the mills at work.
I was also using the ricky stator 200w and all stock components besides that. I made another wire harness from scatch to accommidate the battery, retifier, and fuel pump. It works pretty good until I started making psi. I still have it in my failure box from that project. LOL
anywho... the oil pump... here are some pics I took a week ago so you have an idea of what I'm doing.
Are you going to have any clearance issues under that cover? I'd like to see what you have right now?
04-10-2007, 03:18 PM
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Re: Banshee turbo efi...
I had to drill 2 holes in my second IMS 6 gal tank today... 
The first one has a wrx pump stuffed inside. Now I'm wrecking a second for bulkhead fittings... I hope I'm not making a $200 dollar mistake...
The first one has a wrx pump stuffed inside. Now I'm wrecking a second for bulkhead fittings... I hope I'm not making a $200 dollar mistake...
