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Hey... bansheeboy420 here in NY. Just wanted to show matt (whitey) pics of his competition....

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more... downdraft efi

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I try to get some new pics taken soon. I can't get my camera pics to be small enough for this site.

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stator I made.... 500+w @ 8000rpm

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gsxr-600 '05 tb's... -10an rail to add volume to system.

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hmm, looks pretty badass.

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looks tits, will that be on megasquirt?

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yes, I've got a MS2 v.3... I'm still doing configurations. :6 I was worried about getting the physical system done before I start on the mega set-up.

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Good luck with it.



How did you hear about mine?

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I've been watching you since almost 2 years ago. The first time I tried a turbo on the banshee back in '03 I looked around on the web for info but found nothing. That time I failed because I was using a blow through carb set-up that was.... caput...Very frustrating. So I went back to na. But since then I've been waiting for someone to do something. A short time after I found out about megasquirt and I was going to wait for the production release of the micro....but it's taking to long. Plus I think I've got quite the handle on it this time.
anywho.... like I said, I do a weekly search on google... "turbo banshee" and I found www.mattbonhage.com. That's how I got to know you. I just followed your trail of posts across the web. I think you started your bike about 3 months before I got all my parts together. I've talked to you before on the squirt forum.... hence bansheeboy420.


Well, how's your progress...? I saw that you got it to idle. Are you using spark control or leaving the CDI? I decided to go all out on it this time, spark and all. I have a spare bike to ride now so i don't mind the downtime.


HEY!!!! I have another question..... ???

The injectors that come on these gxsr's and everything else (pretty much)... They are the small bosch (orange) ones... What are they? EV1....EV6.... cause I have to find some 65lbs'ers for this thing before I can do anything else. I found pigtails @ DIY autotune but noone has injectors that I could find.

If you can help me out with that I would be very apprieciative! ;D

Thanx ~ Ben Gifford

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That stator is pimp. How difficult is it to modify/make something like that? Is there a balance between gauge of wire and number of turns? I'd really be interested in making something like that for a Briggs motor, since the stock stators burnout or can't keep up at more than 3600rpm.

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Well good work tracking me down Nancy Drew. ;) To answer your questions:


-I'm using the stock CDI. I wanted to keep things simple to avoid problems so I was going to worry about spark after the turbo was running. I was just going to retard the timing by the stator for low boost.

-As for the injectors I can't help you out.

-I sold my spare bike so now I took all the EFI stuff off my running bike becuase I'd go crazy if I couldn't go riding. I have a spare frame and I'm going to build a motor so hopefully in the summer when I have more time I'll get working on it again. Progress is real slow becuase I just don't have time to work on it and I don't want to rip my running bike apart during riding season.


The EFI actually was pretty easy when I figured out the problems. I wasn't running an ignition module so I wasn't getting a good tach signal. Once I put in a GM 4 pin HEI module (wire it into the 2 white wires for the stator) it fired right up. It started soo easy with the EFI compared to the carbs.




How are you planning on oiling the turbo?

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hey whitey i dont think you ever responded to me before.

but i thought it would be possible to use the fuel to lubricate the turbine?

but then i thought you would lose fuel pressure after it exits the turbo, and unless your turbo is higher than your gas tank it wont be able to just fall back into it, or else you put another pump on the return

but now i thinks you could just plumb the return fuel line into the line to the fuel pump, before the pump.

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Thanks for the answer on the other thread (220 cc/min for the little orange injectors), as I thought, about 19 pounders...

I too, have the dilemma of finding higher flow injectors in a small package. I know that Bosch (Ford) make higher volume (while small size) but I havent got the data regarding exact measurement of those, hence not knowing if they'd fit.


However, I've tried with my old denso injectors in the throttle body and they fitted, pintle cap fits tight in the o-ring. Probably the easy way to find injectors is to use the common automotive injectors, but as a trade off, if you have room, a custom fuel rail must be fabricated. That is probably the way I'll go.

Good luck with your project.

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I don't know but I'll just stick to using oil for lubrication. ;)

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as I said before I will have new pics soon but...

Oiling the turbo is something I had quite a problem with. First I was looking at elec. pumps, but after burning a few up on my first attempt. I'm using a mechanical. Seperated from engine oil. A small catch talk under the turbo. Hard lined to a cover that will bolt to my existing lockout cover... That will house the gear-rotor pump internals taken from a lt-300 suzuki quadrunner. Very small dia. about 1 inch o.d. Since my family and I are all machinists by trade I can have my pops who has lended his hand, help my with that on the HAAS CNC mill. pics will speak the words...

I'm using the spark because last time I fried the whole system on my bike trying to power a fuel pump and making a spark through 10psi of boost. CDI wouldn't do it for me under boost cond. spark literally blew out... So I went with the v.3 ms2 cause it has the ign. coil driver on the board. and a few other things I needed. I machined the center out of a 36-1 ford wheel and fit it over the end plate on my flywheel.(pics) I just have to make a spacer for the pickup coil to move it out another inch or so. Accel GM DIS 2-pole coil from a pontiac 92 grand am 3.1. no module...yet.. maybe....

""""I too, have the dilemma of finding higher flow injectors in a small package. I know that Bosch (Ford) make higher volume (while small size) but I havent got the data regarding exact measurement of those, hence not knowing if they'd fit.
However, I've tried with my old denso injectors in the throttle body and they fitted, pintle cap fits tight in the o-ring. Probably the easy way to find injectors is to use the common automotive injectors, but as a trade off, if you have room, a custom fuel rail must be fabricated. That is probably the way I'll go."""

I found a couple sites from google that all have pics of every kind. but like you said I'm going to have to probably make another rail or bore out the holes that exist. Good thing I bought 2 feet of rail. aahhhh just search "bosch ev1 ev6" and you'll find www.injectors.com and a few others with similar names. they will give you a better veiw.




"""Posted by: TorganFM
That stator is pimp. How difficult is it to modify/make something like that? Is there a balance between gauge of wire and number of turns? I'd really be interested in making something like that for a Briggs motor, since the stock stators burnout or can't keep up at more than 3600rpm. """

I think you should check out the "GSresources" (sp).... That's were I got a good idea about how to wrap it. and also another very important thing to read is...(google) "3 phase basics" It will help you understand how this ---- all works. Even the smartest people should read this article. You can dig even deeper into it then that on google if you search the right things.

basically their is 2 different ways to wind it "wye" and "delta" .... delta is better for more current(amps) because it only is divided by 1 of the 3 phase resistance. and think of the wire as lanes of traffic.... thicker wire, more current but shorter lenghth. thiner = more voltage but less power. that's putting it simply.

L8r ~ B

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What did your electrical system consist of? I'm running a 200W stator, with a 5.5A/H battery. I find it interesting that your CDI couldn't keep up. I'll see how far i can get with mine.


I'm also using a mechanical oil pump. It uses LT230 internal gears in a machined housing. I'm using the swingarm as a tank and an RZ350 sidecover to spin the oil pump.

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"""""
What did your electrical system consist of? I'm running a 200W stator, with a 5.5A/H battery. I find it interesting that your CDI couldn't keep up. I'll see how far i can get with mine.


I'm also using a mechanical oil pump. It uses LT230 internal gears in a machined housing. I'm using the swingarm as a tank and an RZ350 sidecover to spin the oil pump. """" ~ Whitey


Word up... I saw that. Good job! If you need a hand with the shaft I can help you. I have a lathe in my garage at home. And I do alot of stuff on the mills at work.
I was also using the ricky stator 200w and all stock components besides that. I made another wire harness from scatch to accommidate the battery, retifier, and fuel pump. It works pretty good until I started making psi. I still have it in my failure box from that project. LOL
anywho... the oil pump... here are some pics I took a week ago so you have an idea of what I'm doing.
Are you going to have any clearance issues under that cover? I'd like to see what you have right now?

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pic of chunk of alum. and pump

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I had to drill 2 holes in my second IMS 6 gal tank today... :'( The first one has a wrx pump stuffed inside. Now I'm wrecking a second for bulkhead fittings... I hope I'm not making a $200 dollar mistake...

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pic of stuff that's sqwuished under the tank ... ie; coil, elec. pump, pressure reg. and soon to be lots of fuel and coolant lines...

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Ok... I've got all the plumbing done. I'm just still looking for a cheap 2.5 inch header flange (3-bolt) for the turbo - exit. ANYONE???? I'll pay!!! If you have one you just cut off I'll take it.
Anywho... I should be shot for walking into pepboyz today and spending $75 on 4 GM weather pack connectors. Because they just don't sell the whole thing... They are sold in pieces...3.99 each. FUCKERS! But It was ness. to get them so I can finish this bastard already. Just a few more connectors and it's on to config. Which should be a cake walk now that I've read the entire megamanuel about 4 times cover to cover. Just a few things to do when wiring (VR sensor - polarity) That must be done while trying to start it up for the first time. Other than that I have a big whole to drill and tap tomorrow night at work into the head. For the coolant sensor. I'll have some video posted soon on you tube. Later guys ~ Bansheeboy420

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just waiting for the oil pump to be finished..... and I'll be all done. waiting on a watertight stainless electronics box for the mega and relays from www.rose-bopla.com and I'll be tuning in no time.

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Here is some pics I took a couple dayz ago of all the wiring pigtails done and most of the fuel stuff done....(still looking for a small enough hand to fit inside of my tank to get at the bulkhead fitting) I'm still waiting on the elec. box. to mount the mega and reg,rect., backup battery, relays.

Also I have a pic of the bike with all the plastics on. To my surprise, everything fits around the intercooler and tubing!

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Full plastics.....

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is it done yet...

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bookmarked ;)

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Realistically.... I think I'll be tuning by sat morning. I got all my ---- to finish... elec. box, muffler, another timing plate (cast one broke in my hand, so I got a billet one), and my new dell... which I'm on right now. I just got done loading my code into the mega. Tomorrow I'll config and fri after I wake up(I work nights) I'll be finishing the rest of the odds and ends... i.e. turbo oil lines/fuel lines. My dad will be finishing CNC'ing my oil pump this weekend i hope. Not that I'll be hitting boost until I have a reasonable tune down. But I'll be taking the bike over to my brothers shop and putting on the dyno for the wot tuning. www.baldturbofreak.com ..... go check out the dyno/CNC!! And watch the video's of the 1500hp Twin gt-42 406 ls-1 we just got done building. That car is the grim-reaper!!!

STAY TUNED!!!! I'll be putting up video's of the first start-up and dyno runs(later)....

World speed record here I come!!!!!! watch out rocket-man!!!!! current record 156.27mph

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Your going to need a little more than a GT17 to hit those speeds...

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Your right.... But nitro-methane has always been my friend!

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You plan on running nitromethane though that turbo? :l There's no way your going to get enough nitro out the exhaust and your going to hydrolock it. I'd reccomend just running alky

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alky is still around 6 to 1 @ stoicometric... nitro is 4-1... besides I wasn't talking about 100%. Maybe just another rail on the bottom case with 20lbs'ers to feed some 50% model fuel through it.( god bless al/bruce for the dual-table ) Nothing dramatic! just....enough. ya know. I talked to the guys @ grand river racing and he said he's got a 120hp cheetah that he clocked at 130mph. Whether he was telling me the absolute truth is another thing, but he also is the guy who will be loaning me some cryo-treated gears as a sponsor for my run. So I have some trust in what he said. If I get the 160hp I'm looking for than that should put me around 140mph ( I hope) and it will take another 50hp at least to get me over 155mph. BUT.... only time will tell.

In the meantime I'll just consentrate on getting her to run perfectly. Then i'll tweak..... besides this bike wasn't purpose build for the speed run. It is still going to be on the trail. See... where I ride the "trail" is really an old railroad bed that has been graded and smoothed with #6 crush stone, down to a road-like surface. It goes from pennsylvania to lake ontario. Search "lehigh valley railroad" or "greenway trail" in NY

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Lol, that railroad goes right though where I ride:

http://www.readinganthracite.com/

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I've been pretty close to you then.... I got all the way down to about 15 miles south of mount morris , ny... which is about half the way to penn. then we got chased by the man for about 3 hours. Only because it was 4am though. That's pretty far considering I did it without filling up anywhere. I live about 5 minutes from lake ontario. north of roch. I've been meaning to make my way down to allegany county for a weekend. I'll have to hook up with ya for a weekend of rippin' after this thing is done.

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Dude you're ------- awesome. I'm definitely making my own stator for the briggs. Hopefully the battery won't die after 15 starts. It might even be able to support head/tail lights!

Hey, did you use the stock magnets to achieve the extra power or did you purchase more powerful ones?
Also I have no idea what diodes I should be getting, I might get a GM regulator or something.

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allegheny county, and i live in that

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torganFM.... that's bro. You can pick up a rectifier off a yamaha warrior... 3 wires are for each phase and the red and black are your +/-... If you do it right you should not have to buy any magnets. the ones in there should be good enough.... if not search "rare earth magnets" you can find rods of any size. later guys.... back to the banshee

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:7 this weekend was a flop... I had forgotten about the 2 birthday parties I had to go to.... It's not easy being a daddy when your 24. But at least I got my watertight box mounted. although it's a bit bigger than I anticipated. I might just have to make a smaller one once I get it finished. this one will have to do for the time being. My fuel injectors I got from www.injectorsonline.com are an awesome fit. They are the 60lbs. 48mm high imp. (shorties) from a harley application. I couldn't have asked for better service from these guys. I had to send back the first ones I got because of the lenght. So they took them back with no restocking fee then send me the right ones free shipping AND he gave me free pigtails!!!!! What a deal!!!! huh..... These guys are the best I've ever delt with, without a doubt.

Anywho, I'm ready to run for thurs. when I get out of work.... mega is config'd and I'm ready to tune an idle and maybe more. I have yet to finish the muffler...which you guys will LOVE!!! I'll try to resize a pic for ya'll... I'm gunna try to get fast and furious on dat ass... with some colored flames shooting out on boost. you'll see what I mean when you see it. LOL!!!!

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Check out this fast N' fartiness turd muffler I got for $9...LOL

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pic of box mounted on bike.... looks huge, but as long as it clears the tire....