b16a turbo?
 

ok i currently have a b16a NA setup. but want a turbo'ed engine. im not sure wich would be a better way to go? change all my parts in the b16a or getta fresh b16a/b18c1 and putta turbo on those then sell my b16a as is? and can i run a turbo on these engines stock? maybe changing pistons/injectors/fuel management? and i read something about sleeving? for saftey or was it something else? i really dont wanna blow my engine on the firs try at turbo cuz that would be really crappy.

since im wanting to switch over to turbo i have very minimum knowledge on this. and i just wanna run a turbo daily driven car nothing too fast right now, just something that i can gain some knowledge on firs then make a bigger turbo install.

oh and how much would the turbo run me? im thinking about parting one together rather than buying a kit? i think itll be cheaper and ill get the parts i want.

and wuts the price ona b18c1 not new but used with low km? i live in canada, so if u put a price and u live in US plz state weather US or CND.

thanx in advance
Jay

Re:b16a or b18c1 turbo?
 

Just sit back and read my friend. The FAQ's, turbo setups, tech projects, forums, etc... All the answers will come to you. It sounds like putting together a cheap custom turbo kit for your b16 would be perfect for you, but make sure to include parts you can upgrade when you decide to boost more. Fuel management and tuning is very important (the most important part in my opinion) so make sure and do you research on that.

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yeah i been reading mostly setups. but im not sure where to go yet. for the engine wise. thanx for the info and yeah ill get more reading done. but wut do u thinks better to boost the b16a or b18c1? iv been reading b18c1's are pretty good. but yeah thanx a lot

Jay

Re:b16a or b18c1 turbo?
 

The B18c1/5 are the best all around motors honda ever made in my opinion, but it's going to cost you a lot to swap one of those motors in. Your b16a will work just fine with a good custom turbo kit.

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yeah i was thinking that too, just keep my b16a cuz it has low kms around 35,000k but the previous owner i got it off put high comp postons(12:1-THIS i need to change lol) type R cams, Type R valves and did some other stuff like port n polish, balance and blue print, spoon flywheel, Crower Titan valve springs and retainers,Center force clutch, and ngk blue spark wires. sooo im thinkin first i needa lower my compression. and the rest can i leave in and upgrade injectors? and get maybe hondata? after i get lower comp pistions i think im gunna buy some parts for my turbo setup, unless its easier to getta kit? but i think its cheaper to just buy part by part right? well let me know, thanx for the reply!

Re:b16a or b18c1 turbo?
 

Yeah you will defintely want to lower your compression. Between 9:1 and 10:1 is where you want to be. The lower the compression, the more room for error you have in tuning. I personally would rather go with 9:1, but as long as the tuning is spot on you can go higher. I would suggest getting larger injectors DSM 450cc and chipping your ECU with uberdata for fuel management, it's the same thing as hondata, except it's a free program. Building a turbo kit will be much cheap than buying one also.

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oh do everything else i can keep like the cams and valve...etc? so just get bigger injectors/change pistons/and chip my obd1 with uberdata? i think im gunn have to read into the unberdata. lol but thank you for the info, its wut i been lookin for for a WHILE lol. ohh another question, any idea whut size turbo i should go with? the rest is really up to me for the turbo parts right? is there any good/bad parts i should look out for?

thanx man!

Re:b16a or b18c1 turbo?
 

Just run with the 12:1 compression. Just make sure you get it run and dont drive it like a dumba$$ when you first install it. If you are too afraid of that then just change out the pistons for lower compression pistons. I wouldn't change anything else--why waste the extra money? Its already a decent setup.

Re:b16a or b18c1 turbo?
 

It seems like you have a pretty nice N/A setup. If you are gonna boost I would sell the motor you got as is instead of ripping into it and pick up another b16 or b18 block to build or run it stock. You should easily put down 300 whp with a stock bottom end. For turbo if it was me I would go with a t3/t4.

Re:b16a or b18c1 turbo?
 

i say h22, stronger than a B series, slightly cheaper than a b18c and more power and a little thing honda guys often forget about called Torque

plus the closed deck design is great

Re:b16a or b18c1 turbo?
 

well i wanna actually keep the motor in so i dont have to do another swap and all that, so all ur saying is i can keep evetything else in there, and just change the pistons? and get bigger injectors right? and run hondata/uberdata?
and the person whom i got the motor off, just listed all that ---- in the engine. i dont kno for sure they are all in the engine. but i think it runs a bit quicker thanstock b16a's. but yeah i justt need to confirm that i can just swap out pistons and go for lower compressions like 9 or 10s? and keep everything else? even tho its made for NA.
thanx for replies
Jay

Re:b16a or b18c1 turbo?
 

yes you can just swap out the pistons to lower the comp ratio, but you will need to hone the cylinder walls and use new rings ;)

Re:b16a or b18c1 turbo?
 

"but you will need to hone the cylinder walls and use new rings?"

whut do u mean by "hone"? sorry new at this stuff thanx for the input. yeah if all is needed is to change pistons/maybe bigger injectors/chip ecu then this is defenatly a summer project. problem is theres no place here to tune it... i think the closest place is a 1h-1h45 min drive:S... u think its driveable once i get the turbo in to go up there or not?

Re:b16a or b18c1 turbo?
 

this may not be the best thing to try if this is your first major project :-\...it will involve removing the cams, head, and then the rods and pistons. Then you will use a hone (buy one at a parts store) which will clean up the bores so the rings will seat. then you will have to gap the new rings and install it all back together with the new pistons (which will most likely need to be pressed on at a machine shop, someone correct me ive never changed stock pistons)

Re:b16a or b18c1 turbo?
 

well no, im probably gunna work on this with my dad, he knows a lil on engines and done some engine work, just not turbo. i didnt kno u had to bring ur pistons to shop and let them do some stuff on it in order to install them? i thot i can just buy some pistions and replace my JE ones?

Re:b16a or b18c1 turbo?
 

ahh ---- i didnt realize it had aftermarket pistons, i thought it was just some combo of a milled head and ctr pistons or some ----, im not up on the whole NA piston thing...im assuming then that it has aftermarket rods and floating wrist pins, in which case you will be able to do it all yourself. Serves me right for reading threads too fast :P

Re:b16a or b18c1 turbo?
 

hes just saying the wrist pins will need to be pressed in and out to change the pistons on the rod, its not to expensive at your local machine shop 10-15 buck range for them all probably

you just dont wanna try yourself whats cheaper busting a skirt and only having 1 good piston and being forced to find only 1 piston (good luck doing that) or pay a few bucks

ill pay a few bucks every time espically since i even know professional mechanics that say they bust the piston 9/10 times trying to do this themselves

Re:b16a or b18c1 turbo?
 

The wrist pins on stock Honda rods are pressed in , If you buy a set of aftermarket pistons they
will have floating pins witch you can install yourself. Steve

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ok so basically its not a good idea to install pistions at home and just goto a shop to install them? will this setup be safe for a daily drive car? im not planning on runnin high psi. 1-7? not sure. maybe go up after i get used to everything and everythings sucessfull.

but this is the plan. first:
part out a turbo setup
change pistons
up injectors
install turbo
chip ecu
tune
thats abot it? for my engine right?
probably not gunna drive it untill all parts are in.

wut kinda maintance is required? i heard someone spending 10k just on maintanance....??thats one reason why i dont really wanna go thru with this lol. and just keep NA. or is it just the regular oil changes?

Re:b16a turbo?
 

who the hell told you it cost 10k for maintenance? With 10k I could build a bullet proof block with fully built head. Dont buy that BS.

You still have a lot to learn before you decide to start buying things. PM if you have any particular questions about your setup. I think you have the general idea. Just keep your eyes open and see what others are doing.

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aahahah yeah it seemed kinda untrue.. and yeah ill pm you with the setup ideas n such. thanx

bulletproof ahahaha... im in no rush for this setup. i have a long wayz more ta read and i aint doin this till summerish

thanx man!

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I wasnt messing around on the "bulletproof" part either.