anyone running a t3 super 60
 

hey guys...im looking at getting a t3 super 60 from my friend with a .48a/r...i was wondering if anyone is running one and if so what kind of numbers you are putting down...it will be going in my da teg with a rebuilt b18a running~8-10psi...so let me know what your running cause i want to know how well this thing is gonna run in my car

Re: anyone running a t3 super 60
 

if your talking about a T3 60/48... people blindly refer to this as a super 60.... the compressor map flows to about 300hp conservatively... so 275whp or so is about the max before you should upgrade to a T3/T4 or just somthing bigger, its going to start losing its efficiency after that

Re: anyone running a t3 super 60
 

well im only shooting for around 200whp or so so that should be plenty of power...i just want to make sure it will spool around 3000 or so...gonna run a 3" downpipe and 2-2.25 charging pipes to decrease the spool rpm so it will spool faster

Re: anyone running a t3 super 60
 

i run a t3 .48/.60 on my b16, no dyno numbers but i would GUESS around 250 whp on 8 psi, i plan on turning it up to 10 psi as soon as i get a better tune....it's a good turbo for a stock b16/b18...

Re: anyone running a t3 super 60
 

what rpm would you say you spool up and hit full boost at?

Re: anyone running a t3 super 60
 

Im full boost on a D16 with a 48/60 60trim at about 3500.

Re: anyone running a t3 super 60
 

sweet...i think im gonna go with this one...spools relatively quickly and i believe i could get it there at 3000 rpms...thanks for everyones helps

Re: anyone running a t3 super 60
 

isnt that bad because it causes lag and it only boosts from 3500 to 6800 rpm's on a d16? how fast do you have to shift? I was wondering because i was gonna get one for my dohc zc but im thinking that 3500 is too late of a spool

Re: anyone running a t3 super 60
 

redline is 7200 and if you cant shift to keep it in boost you should buy an automatic. :P

Re: anyone running a t3 super 60
 

YEah, the t3 60 trim compressor is often mistaken for a super 60.
The real super 60 with an oversized comp wheel major is rare. You have to order it from turbonetics. I doubt any vehicule ever came equipped with that from the factory.

The T3 60 trim mounted on a 0.48 turbine is the perfect match for engines of 100-150 HP before boost.
Both the turbine and the compressor of the .48/.60 T3 60 trim will start lacking flow and efficiency at around 250 HP.
For more than 250HP, both the turbine and the compressor will need upgrade. The next step would be a small t04 compressor on a 0.63 turbine.

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Re: anyone running a t3 super 60
 

some of the dodge guys were running S60 compressor wheels in some of their stage II or III turbos or somthin like that... Anyway i have a T3 60/63 and it boosts 9psi at 4250... not bad for the .63 exhaust housing

Re: anyone running a t3 super 60
 

Well the 0.63 spool up is fairly quick too, provided you have at least 140-150 HP before boost. The wheel is exactly the same after all. Only the housing throat is slightly wider. If you can live with the 0.63 spool up, you are much happier camper: Less overheating and the possibility to make more power.

Re: anyone running a t3 super 60
 

I have a 60 trim T3 .48/.60 on my d16z6 and I love it... don't be worrying about lag man!

Lag = Traction...

Plus, I can drive around out of boost if I want to get better gas milage... and it's easier on the engine if you aren't in boost 24/7.

IMO, the 60 trim T3 with the .48 hot side is the perfect turbo for the d16z6, and other similar engines...

Re: anyone running a t3 super 60
 

I agree. T3 0.48/0.60 is great not only on the D16 but also on most cars with 100-140 HP before boost.

To further push the envelope, I found the way to overbore the t3 60 comp housing and backplate and slap in a T04B V trim wheel (which actually is 63 trim) . The result is even wilder than a super 60 because the wheel is much bigger. In fact, it will outflow the 0.48 a/r turbine. A 0.63 turbine would be much more appropriate with such huge comp....

inducer diameter

T3 60 trim: 1.83
T3 super 60: 1.90
T3 Blaast V trim : 2.18" !!!! ;D

Re: anyone running a t3 super 60
 

how did you do that...i know they make a t3 .48/.63 so did you take the internals from that one and put it in the .48/.60?

Re: anyone running a t3 super 60
 

Does the bigger exhaust housing make it spool quicker since it has a larger area to release the gases? I'm putting a .48/.63 on my d16y8 and want to daily run 8psi and do up to 11psi at the track; however, I'm seeing the projected horsepower numbers and my engine is going to be screwed! I want like 200whp, but people say my D-series will hold closer to 230whp. I just don't want to blow an engine my very 1st boosted car on accident that's all. Any idea what my WHP numbers might be at 8psi and 11psi on my d16y8? Thanks guys!


JP

Re: anyone running a t3 super 60
 

Yeah. Let's avoid mixing up stuff here.

The T3 60 trim will commonly come with two different turbines: the 0.48 and the 0.63 a/r. Wheel is the same (generally stage 1) for both of course. The 0.63 housing simply has a larger throat. Therefore, more exhaust gases will be needed to spin that same wheel (that's why it lags more) and in turns, it will take more exhaust flow (HP) to make the wheel exceed it's max efficiency. That's why it can support more HP.

Compressor wise, if you overbore a T3 60 trim to use a T4 wheel in it, you have to machine the comp housing and backplate. The internals however, remain the same. Now the change here is on the wheel rather than the housing. The wheel having a larger overall diameter, it simply flows more air and produces more power.

for example, at 15 psi, here is the power produced by each comp wheel at it's max afficiency (74%):

60 trim : 250HP
super 60: 250HP (Yes, the super 60 performs almost the same as the 60 trim. Very minor differences)
V trim: 325 HP !!! ;D

Re: anyone running a t3 super 60
 

Here, I took some pictures, just for fun:

Re: anyone running a t3 super 60
 

ok so first how do i do this to my turbo or where can i get it done and does it have any more lag or take longer to spool then the original turbo you started with?

Re: anyone running a t3 super 60
 

Werd, I'd like to see how much you guys charge for this since I dont want to upgrade the read of my exhaust stuff...

Re: anyone running a t3 super 60
 

If used on a 0.48 a/r turbine, spool up is not significantly slower.
However, you do enter the sweet spot of that compressor wheel later in the powerband, since it starts to be efficient only by 175 HP. On drivability, this turbo will hit your desired boost early, but power will kick in all of a sudden at around 175-200 HP.

I would say that for power levels under 250HP, this V trim wheel is not worth it. The t3 60 will achieve 250HP just as easily and with more low end.
However, If your car already has 150+ HP before boost. That V trim T3 on a 0.63 turbine will definitely kick ass.

I don'T want to see that stuff considered as publicity.

Of course, I build turbos for my living so if interrested about any of this, just email me.
Of course, we sell t3 60, super 60 and that V trim T3 and we can also modify yours. No pricing will be posted here though.

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Re: anyone running a t3 super 60
 

I will vouch for BlaastPerformance, I just picked up my t3/t04b v trim for my z6 and will let you guys know how I like it. They have been more than helpful in answering all my questions and uncertainties.

Re: anyone running a t3 super 60
 

Glad to ear that and if you don't like it, contact us. Our job is done only when you are 100% satisfied.

Re: anyone running a t3 super 60
 

i didnt see on your site for the super 60...i saw the regular 60 trim but not the super 60...could you put up a link on here?

Re: anyone running a t3 super 60
 

No, it's not on the website. Yet.
It's extensive custom work and takes more time to build than regular turbos. If I get 3-4 orders at a time, it's gonna jeopardize the rest of the business and I am no longer gonna be able to respect my usual turn around times.

Of course, I could order the real parts directly from turbonetics to do the super 60 or other fancy hybrids but the price couldn't be that good. To achieve this economically, I have to machine some factory remanufactured parts myself. The results though, you can be asured, is just as good, if not better.

Re: anyone running a t3 super 60
 

I dont mean to "blast" a hole in the idea, but its almost as expensive to just buy a T3/T4 than buying a used turbo and doing the v-trim. Just my two cents.

Re: anyone running a t3 super 60
 

And you are perfectly right.
The t3/t4 V trim happens to have a 0.60 a/r as well.
I'm not sure of the difference in performances of the T3 V trim and the t04B V trim. Certainly, it is minor or furthermore, my guess, unsignificant.
But obviously, the prefix "SUPER" in a turbo's nomenclature seems to make a it much more attractive to many customers. In turns, it becomes very attractive as well for me to offer it.

Re: anyone running a t3 super 60
 

Blaast,

What do you think about the T04B V-trim comp wheel on an Audi 1.8t 20-valve engine? Should I use a .63 or .48 turbine housing?

TIA,
Fulcrum

Re: anyone running a t3 super 60
 

the 1.8L without boost doesn't have a lot of power to spool up a turbine.

You should stick with the 0.48 T3 turbine. It is, anyways, already much larger than the stock one .

Compressor wise, depends what HP you are looking for. To keep the low end strong, maybe you should look into the t3 60 trim, super 60 or... the T04B S trim that is very good from 150 to 250HP.

My call: the t3/t04B S trim, 0.48/0.60 ar, watercooled is a great choice; decent high RPM gains at stock boost levels, the possiblity to boost much more and minor compromises on spoolup...
We have it on the shelves, ready to go.

Re: anyone running a t3 super 60
 

Is the T3/T04B S capable of flowing enough for 300 hp? I actually more worried about midrange torque. The car is an Audi A4 Avant(wagon) Quattro. I'm obviously gonnna be running a 3" exhaust and front mount IC. Big mid range power seems a better choice since 1.8t aren't very rev happy(under-square and heavy valvetrain). How much would it cost to get a T3 60/63 modded to T3/T04B-S specs? Just PM me the prices since you said you didnt want to post pricing in this thread.

TIA,
Fulcrum

PS sorry to the OP for hijackin your thread.

PPS IIRC turbo Fords(Merkur, T-Bird, Stangs) came with T3 60/63's in manual tranny cars and T3 60/48's in auto tranny's. i hope that helps.