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+400hp 02 Kia Spectra GS - Build Thread
This is my first build thread on HMT, though lurked for years.
I am building this engine and turbo setup for a customer. We plan to swap the built engine in by June. Current hp goal is 400hp. I do not expect it to hit this on the first pull. Given this is a unique build and none that I have seen have taken the T8D to this level, tuning and boost is going to be done in stages. But more on that when it comes time for it. FYI this is the same 1.8L engine Jeff turbo'd awhile ago, except going into the hatch. As far as the rumored Thrust washer/crank-walk problem. His is the only documented case of it happening. AS stated, the engine will be tuned in stages, so if that does proove to be a problem a spare block will be machined to fix. The thing with an engine with little aftermarket support, breaking parts is just part of the game. There is no "formula" with these engines. Anyway, enough bable. Engine : 2002 t8d 1.8L (81mm x 87mm) iron block HP target: 350hp medium boost, 400hp+ depending on other factors Actual Parts list to date: TURBO KIT: Holset H2A Turbo 3/8" laser cut flanges TurboSmart 38mm Wastegate 1.5" S.S. Wastegate dump tube 3" S.S. Downpipe equal length Sch.10 S.S. Turbo Manifold (custom) -4an Oil Feed Line Tuner Toyz Block fitting -10an Drain Line other -AN fitting (all) 2.5" Alum. I.C. piping (2mm thick) S.S. T-Bolt Clamps & 3-4py couplers 3" Blox Velocity Stack 6" Blox High-Flow Filter (for velocity stack) Precision 780cc Injectors Turbo-XS Type-H RFL BOV 28"x8"x3.5" Intercooler Manual Boost Controller Custom Catch can w/AN fittings. ENGINE UPGRADES: Cometic Head Gasket (may use 3-layer OEM steel) Wiseco 9.5:1 Forged Performance Pistons (81.5mm) & Performance Rings & Wrist Pins Custom Puater Rods TOGA HP Main Bearings TOGA HP Rod Bearings TOGA High Volume Oil Pump Polished oil pan w/ welded drain plug Polished Fuel rail w/ -6AN Return line fitting 60mmx65mm BBTB Throttle Body Spec stage 3 clutch Custom Billet Steel 11lb. Flyhweel Custom Grind .375 Turbo Cams Megasquirt v3 ECU ADDITIONAL UPGRADES: 3" S.S. Turbo Back Exhaust 3" 120mm tip Turbo Muffler 2" Core 16" Alum. Radiator 12" Slim Fan Custom radiator hoses w/S.S. T-bolt Clamps S.S. fuel return line & -6AN fittings Walbro 255 fuel pump Liquid filled Pressure Gauge Obx R.R. FPR AEM Uego WideBand O2 Autometer Cobalt Gauges (boost/oil/Tach, etc.) Now for the pics of the current progress: http://www.revauto.net/t8dturbo/h2a3.jpg http://www.revauto.net/t8dturbo/filter.jpg http://www.revauto.net/t8dturbo/couplers.jpg http://www.revauto.net/t8dturbo/clamps.jpg http://www.revauto.net/t8dturbo/headflanges.jpg http://www.revauto.net/t8dturbo/manifoldpipes2.jpg http://www.revauto.net/t8dturbo/exhaustbends.jpg http://www.revauto.net/t8dturbo/icpiping.jpg http://www.revauto.net/t8dturbo/icpiping2.jpg http://www.revauto.net/t8dturbo/crank.jpg http://www.revauto.net/t8dturbo/radiator1.jpg http://www.revauto.net/t8dturbo/radiator4.jpg http://www.revauto.net/t8dturbo/radiator5.jpg http://www.revauto.net/t8dturbo/wg1.jpg http://www.revauto.net/t8dturbo/injectors2.jpg http://www.revauto.net/t8dturbo/injectors1.jpg http://www.revauto.net/t8dturbo/expipe2.jpg http://www.revauto.net/t8dturbo/flanges.jpg http://www.revauto.net/t8dturbo/fittings1.jpg http://www.revauto.net/t8dturbo/stainlessline.jpg http://www.revauto.net/t8dturbo/catchcan.jpg http://www.revauto.net/t8dturbo/fittings2.jpg http://www.revauto.net/t8dturbo/engine1.jpg http://www.revauto.net/t8dturbo/engine2.jpg http://www.revauto.net/t8dturbo/engine3.jpg http://www.revauto.net/t8dturbo/enginetorndownparts.jpg http://www.revauto.net/t8dturbo/enginetorndown.jpg http://www.revauto.net/t8dturbo/engineblock.jpg http://www.revauto.net/t8dturbo/enginetornhead.jpg Now that most of the parts are in, the fabrication and real fun can begin. |
Re: 400hp 02 Kia Spectra - Build Thread
Pauter rods, but a cdm turbo? and a 57 trim at that? Going to take some pressure to get that power, and a 57's map is pretty small.
Still sound like a cool build, how are the transmissions in those? |
Re: 400hp 02 Kia Spectra - Build Thread
Originally Posted by Eville140
Pauter rods, but a cdm turbo? and a 57 trim at that? Going to take some pressure to get that power, and a 57's map is pretty small.
build sounds awesome though, KEEP US UPDATED!!! |
Re: 400hp 02 Kia Spectra - Build Thread
cdm turbo ? *EDIT Chinese Domestic Market? lol Actually has Japanese internals, but yes, it is not the ideal turbo for 400hp as stated below.
I do not expect to get 400hp reliably out of this Turbo, it is more so used as a stepping stone. This build is also being worked within the customer's budget. I will agree that we will probably reach the Turbo's efficiency range well before 350hp. I can say he will be more then happy at that point though and will be until he can afford a larger Turbo, say SC61 or similar. Basically the engine and other items are being build to handle 400 or more hp. When the time comes to upgrade the Turbo/injectors etc. not much else will have to be touched. I will be using a SC61/GT35r in my own T8D build. But thats for another thread. THe trans will hold up just fine. Almost identical to the Escort GT 5-speed. He'll snap a shaft before ever breaking anything in the trans. And even those won't go unless he runs some Slicks at the track, ggiven he can drive. He is already expecting to get larger shafts at some point, and they do make them. |
Re: 400hp 02 Kia Spectra - Build Thread
g/l with build. Just out of curiosity, can you use honda pistons? b18 standard bore is 81mm. Thatd work out nicely for you for a source of "cheaper" pistons
and cdm is the ching chong meow, or Chinese Domestic Market, or, where you bought your turbo. When your turbo dies on you, you should buy a holset hx35 or hy35. They go for ~$200 used, will last forever, make boost fast, and make shittons of power, more than enough for 400hp goals |
Re: 400hp 02 Kia Spectra - Build Thread
Originally Posted by EGgyLShatch
g/l with build. Just out of curiosity, can you use honda pistons? b18 standard bore is 81mm. Thatd work out nicely for you for a source of "cheaper" pistons
and cdm is the ching chong meow, or Chinese Domestic Market, or, where you bought your turbo. When your turbo dies on you, you should buy a holset hx35 or hy35. They go for ~$200 used, will last forever, make boost fast, and make shittons of power, more than enough for 400hp goals Honestly I doubt the customer will be driving the car long enough for this Turbo to fail. It's not his DD, and he is in the Military (in Iraw right now). But if it does, you bet I'll be pushing him for a good upgrade. EDIT: FYI I am looking at a Holset H2A for my own T8D build |
Re: 400hp 02 Kia Spectra - Build Thread
you will make 900 with that fan :y
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Re: 400hp 02 Kia Spectra - Build Thread
Originally Posted by bitchasscracker
you will make 900 with that fan :y
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Re: 400hp 02 Kia Spectra - Build Thread
Damn nice build. Got more pic's?
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Re: 400hp 02 Kia Spectra - Build Thread
Haha my dad has the same car, makes me want to show him since the warrenty is up like 5xxx miles ago.
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Re: 400hp 02 Kia Spectra GS - Build Thread
dude sweet build. keep us updated. good luck.
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Re: 400hp 02 Kia Spectra GS - Build Thread
gl with the build man.....sorry to shatter your dreams but i dont think you are gonna make anything more than 300 at the wheels
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Re: 400hp 02 Kia Spectra GS - Build Thread
Originally Posted by apexsilver06mr
gl with the build man.....sorry to shatter your dreams but i dont think you are gonna make anything more than 300 at the wheels
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Re: 400hp 02 Kia Spectra GS - Build Thread
hey revauto build comming along nicly i was on StreetKiaz for a while but this is usualy whre i hang out
build is looking great keep us up to date |
Re: 400hp 02 Kia Spectra GS - Build Thread
Whats this guys' budget if you don't mind me asking. Kinda curious looking at the parts.
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Re: 400hp 02 Kia Spectra GS - Build Thread
Cool build, but that ching chang meow label on the turbo stood out at me and screemed "I LEAKY SEAL YOU LONG TIME".
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Re: 400hp 02 Kia Spectra GS - Build Thread
I want to see this thing rip.
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Re: 400hp 02 Kia Spectra GS - Build Thread
listen noob. china turbos don't fly on hmt, so get a masterpower, holset or oem garrett truck turbo, ----.
do you realize how much mass flow you'll need for 400 whp on a 2.0 l engine? maybe 20+ psi, 630 cfm and 45+ lbs/min. = BIG compressor if you know this well done, but it had to be said. dan. |
Re: 400hp 02 Kia Spectra GS - Build Thread
I saw this build on xceedspeed. Hell of a project. Definitely keep us updated on it.
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Re: 400hp 02 Kia Spectra GS - Build Thread
Originally Posted by rprznt
listen noob. china turbos don't fly on hmt, so get a masterpower, holset or oem garrett truck turbo, ----.
do you realize how much mass flow you'll need for 400 whp on a 2.0 l engine? maybe 20+ psi, 630 cfm and 45+ lbs/min. = BIG compressor if you know this well done, but it had to be said. dan. I'll have more updates next week hopefully. Car just got parked that I will be using to mock-up the setup on. |
Re: 400hp 02 Kia Spectra GS - Build Thread
Here is a pic of the Holset H2A Turbo I plan to upgrade it too. Should be perfect for this build. We could go over 400hp with this turbo if desired, we'll see how the rest of the engine pans out come that time anyway.
https://i13.ebayimg.com/08/i/000/de/2c/a8e9_1.JPG |
Re: 400hp 02 Kia Spectra GS - Build Thread
cool build, I'll definatly have to check in to see the progress.
btw, have you thought about how the thrust bearing is incredibly small and may pose a threat of crank walk? I ran into this on the turbo spectra I did.. I turned it up to 12psi and about a day of driving with a pretty heavy pressure plate/6 puk clutch, that bearing was toast, and it was walking all over like a dead dsm. Good luck! Jeff |
Re: 400hp 02 Kia Spectra GS - Build Thread
Originally Posted by AbaZ
cool build, I'll definatly have to check in to see the progress.
btw, have you thought about how the thrust bearing is incredibly small and may pose a threat of crank walk? I ran into this on the turbo spectra I did.. I turned it up to 12psi and about a day of driving with a pretty heavy pressure plate/6 puk clutch, that bearing was toast, and it was walking all over like a dead dsm. Good luck! Jeff I remember you mentioning machining so a Honda thrust bearing would fit or similar? |
Re: 400hp 02 Kia Spectra GS - Build Thread
Some more updates. Customer DID go with the Holset H2A and Pauter rods. We also upgraded to Precision 780cc injectors. I began some of the fab work on my own car (since it is still up until May-ish).
https://www.revolutionautoworks.net/...s/kiabbtb3.jpg http://www.revauto.net/t8dturbo/bov.jpg http://www.revauto.net/t8dturbo/h2a3.jpg http://www.revauto.net/t8dturbo/newturbo.jpg http://www.revauto.net/t8dturbo/newturbo2.jpg The Block, Valve Cover and a few other accessories will be painted like this: http://www.revauto.net/t8dturbo/bluepaint.jpg I am using MY to test fit all parts for the customer who will drive in from out of state come July. Mine does not come out of the garage until May, so this works out perfect for all custom parts and fitment. MY car before putting it up for winter: http://www.revauto.net/spectra/newlipsnow.jpg http://www.streetkiaz.com/streetkiaz...otos/10449.jpg After starting the preb and Fab work from tonight. I hope to have the manifold tached up over the weekend. http://www.revauto.net/t8dturbo/fab0408a.jpg http://www.revauto.net/t8dturbo/fab0408b.jpg http://www.revauto.net/t8dturbo/fab0408c.jpg http://www.revauto.net/t8dturbo/fab0408d.jpg http://www.revauto.net/t8dturbo/fab0408e.jpg http://www.revauto.net/t8dturbo/fab0408f.jpg http://www.revauto.net/t8dturbo/fab0408g.jpg |
Re: 400hp 02 Kia Spectra GS - Build Thread
I am really likeing the build. BTW some of the pic's don't work.
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Re: 400hp 02 Kia Spectra GS - Build Thread
Hmm all the links are correct and they work for me, even at different locations/computers.
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Re: 400hp 02 Kia Spectra GS - Build Thread
I don't really like the platform... But I can't wait for vids :y
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Re: 400hp 02 Kia Spectra GS - Build Thread
Originally Posted by RevAutoLLC
Hmm all the links are correct and they work for me, even at different locations/computers.
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Re: 400hp 02 Kia Spectra GS - Build Thread
cool build...good to see that you posted the biuld thread here too. You should stick around...this place is a LIL different than streetkiaz. ;)
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Re: 400hp 02 Kia Spectra GS - Build Thread
Originally Posted by kablammyman
cool build...good to see that you posted the biuld thread here too. You should stick around...this place is a LIL different than streetkiaz. ;)
Update on the project: Start the manifold, should have the 5" long collector finished tonight. |
Re: 400hp 02 Kia Spectra GS - Build Thread
wow this is a sweet build man
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Re: 400hp 02 Kia Spectra GS - Build Thread
you make kia's look like they are worth owning ;)
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Re: 400hp 02 Kia Spectra GS - Build Thread
Originally Posted by ososlohatch
you make kia's look like they are almost worth owning ;)
i'm another don't like the platform kind of guys. keep us posted, since the build is still pretty awesome. |
Re: 400hp 02 Kia Spectra GS - Build Thread
Originally Posted by onlyflash944
fixed it for you.
i'm another don't like the platform kind of guys. keep us posted, since the build is still pretty awesome. |
Re: 400hp 02 Kia Spectra GS - Build Thread
The white one posted looks sexy!!!
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Re: 400hp 02 Kia Spectra GS - Build Thread
^ Thanks.
Not a lot of time to update, but here is the collector... http://www.revauto.net/t8dturbo/tcollector.jpg http://www.revauto.net/t8dturbo/tcollector2.jpg http://www.revauto.net/t8dturbo/tcollecor3.jpg |
Re: 400hp 02 Kia Spectra GS - Build Thread
Is this engine related to any mazda counter-parts or is it Kia only? I know they used to share ---- and some of the stuff looks similar to my b6.
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Re: 400hp 02 Kia Spectra GS - Build Thread
gangser a kia O0 man car so whats happening to the bottom end
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Re: 400hp 02 Kia Spectra GS - Build Thread
Build looks amazing! Good luck with it all!
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Re: 400hp 02 Kia Spectra GS - Build Thread
the block is being prepped for honing, blasting/painting, assembley. Crank is waiting for the bearings to arrive.
The block is receiving Pauter Rods, 9.5:1 forged pistons. stock crank. I peronally will be pushing the limit of the stock block/rods down the road. http://www.revauto.net/t8dturbo/block04.jpg http://www.revauto.net/t8dturbo/block04b.jpg http://www.revauto.net/t8dturbo/block04c.jpg http://www.revauto.net/t8dturbo/crank1.jpg http://www.revauto.net/t8dturbo/crank2.jpg |
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