2g Talon ESi Auto
10-28-2009, 02:26 PM
#41
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i know fpr mods are a must but his car does not even have one from factory. its all ran by the fuel pump and there is some kind of fpr at the fuel pump. i have seen it first hand 8psi on an auto 420a but yes the rods are trash but can it run moderate amounts of boost even on stock injectors but i would recommend at least running an fmu which is still hard to install because its at the back of the car. i dont know why they didnt just put the g63 in it. hell they have non turbo 2nd gen g63 in the uk but not in good ole usa. just b/s chrysler.
I think the 4G63 is an insanely amazing engine, my brother had a "Supposed" NA 4G up here in america, after doing his Cold air intake setup the engine gained sooo much, he routed the intake from the intake manifold, around the engine bay, down the backside of the strut tower, and mounted it behind the wheel... what an insane bonus...
but yes he will need some sort of fuel management, i KNOW for a fact those stock injectors are good enough for boost, the rods are ----, and he will need to look into an FPR lol. that stock fuel pump isnt going to feed that snail
11-10-2009, 05:29 AM
#43
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Location: Baraboo Wisconsin
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CAR PIX UPDATE
hahah since i kept forgeting heres some pics of my new Talon. it is a lil rough but it runs STRONG. just needs a radiator, window, door handles and a few other lil interior things.
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well here ya all go. i know its not the best. but not bad for $100 for a running car lmk what you think
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well here ya all go. i know its not the best. but not bad for $100 for a running car lmk what you think
11-10-2009, 03:26 PM
#45
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im gonna lol cause she is. i know its not the best. but hopefully by summer she'll have a nice new paint job. just need a damn radiator first lol it did sit for a year around some trees and stuff to so ya lol. the trunk was filled with squirrel nuts lol
11-13-2009, 08:19 AM
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I haven't got around to reading the whole thread. I had heard it is bad to put a turbo on a 420a motor. The guy that does my car work, only works on dsm's. He told me there was no way in hell he would put a turbo on a 420a no matter how much I paid. He doesn't want to have to deal with all the bitching after I blow the motor. he said there was a lot of bottom end work that needs to be done to make it decently sturdy enough to handle a turbo. Now my suggestion, have you thought about checking in getting more hp to the wheels? As I have learned, one auto's suck, but there are a lot of things that eat hp. Now removing these and gaining more whp could help get that zip without worrying about blowing an engine. One thing I have seen is getting an electric water pump that don't run on the timing belt. That will rob the crank from putting power to the wheels. Also if you have cruise control, having that will eat away at hp. I forget the explanation I seen. Lets just assume it adds unneeded weight, and also it is something to do with the vacuum lines that pulls too much power that could be used on the road instead. Plus it effects the throttle somehow. There is a lot of things I have seen that is suppose to help. Now you can feel free to go a different route. I can't promise this will all help. I have not had the money to do my work that I want to. I just got my talon. But from everything ounce of homework I have done, this is my suggestion. Maybe you will find other things to do what you want. But I would stay away from going with a turbo on it. I wish the 420a would swap with the 4g63 or whatever the turbo motor is.
11-13-2009, 08:25 AM
#49
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oh im on ALOT of DSM forums. and they all say a stock auto 420a can easily handle 10 psi and that the auto trannys can take alot of punishment. and ive decided to just save up for the kit. a Hahn RaceCraft turbo system. 275hp with no internals and no ECU upgrades at only 8psi. i plan on a auto to 5 speed swap. but not for a little bit anyway. just need this cars lil problems fixed to get it on the road. but i know it can handle boost with no problems. and i can swap the turbo motor in the 4g63? only for it to work, (well with the least amount of custom work) id need a Evo 8 4g63. as they sit the same way as the 420a
this is what ima save for...
Hahn Racecraft - Automotive Turbosystems
this is what ima save for...
Hahn Racecraft - Automotive Turbosystems
11-13-2009, 08:50 AM
#50
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I haven't got around to reading the whole thread. I had heard it is bad to put a turbo on a 420a motor. The guy that does my car work, only works on dsm's. He told me there was no way in hell he would put a turbo on a 420a no matter how much I paid. He doesn't want to have to deal with all the bitching after I blow the motor. he said there was a lot of bottom end work that needs to be done to make it decently sturdy enough to handle a turbo. Now my suggestion, have you thought about checking in getting more hp to the wheels? As I have learned, one auto's suck, but there are a lot of things that eat hp. Now removing these and gaining more whp could help get that zip without worrying about blowing an engine. One thing I have seen is getting an electric water pump that don't run on the timing belt. That will rob the crank from putting power to the wheels. Also if you have cruise control, having that will eat away at hp. I forget the explanation I seen. Lets just assume it adds unneeded weight, and also it is something to do with the vacuum lines that pulls too much power that could be used on the road instead. Plus it effects the throttle somehow. There is a lot of things I have seen that is suppose to help. Now you can feel free to go a different route. I can't promise this will all help. I have not had the money to do my work that I want to. I just got my talon. But from everything ounce of homework I have done, this is my suggestion. Maybe you will find other things to do what you want. But I would stay away from going with a turbo on it. I wish the 420a would swap with the 4g63 or whatever the turbo motor is.
Yes a 420A can handle a decent amount of boost................................. Once you put rods, pistons, a stiffer head gasket, and stainless steel valves in the motor at a minimum.
Last edited by BoostGear; 11-13-2009 at 08:54 AM.
