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Old 10-27-2009, 09:31 PM
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No ----... the 420a is definitely not a 4G63, Chrysler vs. Mitsubishi...
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No ----... the 420a is definitely not a 4G63, Chrysler vs. Mitsubishi...
ya i know that. what does that have to do with anything?
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Originally Posted by 5G_4G15
the 420a can NOT handle high boost. the rods are a compressed powder and are only good for about 10 psi on the street. yes there is one person running 15psi on stock bottom end doing 12.s butt thats alot of fuel. most people have to rum an fmu because the fuel system is not returnless so no fpr upgrades its internal at the fp. if you have to keep the auto see if you can find a pt cruiser turbo trans. its a direct bolt up and its good for 300hp+. theres your car in a nut shell good luck. and look into bolt ons before boost. happy boosting.

dude you are smokin the crack.. a STOCK 420A can run a reliable 5-6 PSI, running stock injectors, and minor things like a FPR, and AFR <-- THIS IS A MUST.
the 420A rods arent even compressed powder.. more like the bicycle crank from a huffy in the early 90's, but we get the picture lol


to the OP, if you want to turbo that, slow wayyy down, take a look at things from a different perspective, your gonna want injectors, a fuel pressure regulator (FPR), gauges (AFR-Air/Fuel Ratio), your going to need some kind of tuning, a piggyback of some sort, megasquirt might be too complicated for some, but you need to look into fueling and ignition timing. your going to want that flashy turbo manifold im sure, that flashy front mount intercooler, and then there is piping. also dont forget a custom exhaust setup to impliment the turbo, that can get pretty pricey depending... your gonna want 3 inch all around for sure. you prolly wont wanna run that stock cat/muffler so youll have to pay for a new cat/muffler, because an exhaust shop wont touch your car if there is no cat anymore.


the list can get quite long.
i know this is HMT and all but DAMN, its alot more complicated.
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i would be worried about the trans the most they are weak ----. like stated above they start slipping at 100k like clock work
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Old 10-27-2009, 10:55 PM
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the only things i need yet, is the fuel managment, headers, i/c, BOV, exhaust, and some type of tuning. i do know its not gunna last forever. and i dont really car if it does. if the tranny goes? well theres a bunch of junkyards here with 5 speeds. so if i loose a tranny then well that gives me a very good reason to get a 5spd. but till then ill enjoy it. i appreciate your comments though guys. hopefully ill get the car tomorrow and ill post pix up
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well i wish you the best of luck. however you can find the 2g dms intercooler for usually around 20 it should mount easily and will be enough for your power goals. maybe try to snag the oem exhaust from the junk yard from a turbo eclipse. all that ---- should work out for you pretty easily and cheaply
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ya that what i was thinking is a smic. but im sure on like 5-7 psi itll last a while. not forever no lol. but atleast till i figure out exactly where i wanna go with it. and when i do then ill blow the tranny (if its not gone yet lol) and go from there. but i think this will be a fun project. and a good learning experience. if it dont go well? then ill just go and turbo my civic instead and scrap the Talon. hell im only paying 100 on the car
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Originally Posted by DannyAE
dude you are smokin the crack.. a STOCK 420A can run a reliable 5-6 PSI, running stock injectors, and minor things like a FPR, and AFR <-- THIS IS A MUST.
the 420A rods arent even compressed powder.. more like the bicycle crank from a huffy in the early 90's, but we get the picture lol

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i know fpr mods are a must but his car does not even have one from factory. its all ran by the fuel pump and there is some kind of fpr at the fuel pump. i have seen it first hand 8psi on an auto 420a but yes the rods are trash but can it run moderate amounts of boost even on stock injectors but i would recommend at least running an fmu which is still hard to install because its at the back of the car. i dont know why they didnt just put the g63 in it. hell they have non turbo 2nd gen g63 in the uk but not in good ole usa. just b/s chrysler.
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Originally Posted by 5G_4G15
i know fpr mods are a must but his car does not even have one from factory. its all ran by the fuel pump and there is some kind of fpr at the fuel pump. i have seen it first hand 8psi on an auto 420a but yes the rods are trash but can it run moderate amounts of boost even on stock injectors but i would recommend at least running an fmu which is still hard to install because its at the back of the car. i dont know why they didnt just put the g63 in it. hell they have non turbo 2nd gen g63 in the uk but not in good ole usa. just b/s chrysler.
haha good point. well hopefully once i get the car tomorrow ill post pix to see what we're dealing with. i wish it did have the 4g63. it might acctually though.. the guy said it wasnt awd, so maybe. but i doubt lol a TSi
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Originally Posted by 5G_4G15
i know fpr mods are a must but his car does not even have one from factory. its all ran by the fuel pump and there is some kind of fpr at the fuel pump. i have seen it first hand 8psi on an auto 420a but yes the rods are trash but can it run moderate amounts of boost even on stock injectors but i would recommend at least running an fmu which is still hard to install because its at the back of the car. i dont know why they didnt just put the g63 in it. hell they have non turbo 2nd gen g63 in the uk but not in good ole usa. just b/s chrysler.
UK, Iceland, Germany, Austria, and some of those other smaller European countries got 2G Eclipses with non turbo 7 Bolt 4G63 engines. A good friend was over at Rammstein Air Force Base when the Fast and Furious came out years ago and he picked up one cheap/beat up that a local bar tender ran for a bit. Fixed up the body, put a lame-o body kit on it and I sold him a bunch of old 2G turbo eclipse parts like SMIC, 16G turbo with install kit, injectors, S-AFC, hard intercooler piping, old Sparco seats, etc. He got it all fixed up and running ok, turns around and SELLS the thing to a dumb *** german kid for $16 grand when he had about $6 grand in the car. That is if you don't count his own labor and since he was an Air Force mechanic he used their equipment/tools/supplies for the most part... Thought I would toss that in there, not sure why, but a good story.
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