2g Talon ESi Auto
 

alright guys, sorry if this sounds dumb but i wanna know lol. ok im getting a 96 Eagle Talon ESi for $100, just needs new struts and battery, and the rear quarter glass. now it has the 420a DOHC motor in it. it is also a dang auto :( its going to be a DD and im not gunna swith the tranny out. so, my question is how much boost would i be able to run on the STOCK 420a, with a stock auto tranny? now this is only going to be for a lil more pick up and go. im not going to try and make 500hp lol. so any answers or help? anyone done this? ive read on other forums, that the stock 420a completely stock can handle alot of boost upto i think like 15-22 area. i dont remember wxectly, so sorry if im wrong. and that the auto tranny should handle like 10 or so. so would like 7-9 psi on a stock auto work? please no smartass :( just trying to get some answers thanks and sorry for all the reading

welcome. first thing look at how many miles are on the trans. if it more than 150k be careful because you dont know the history of the car and if the trans has ever been serviced. change the fluid if black and filter a long with a bottle of lube guard or lucas and a trans cooler( the bigger the better). needs struts get the tokico and eibach kit they sell on ebay. my wifey had a 95 eclipse auto and it was pretty quick for all motor and we had the basics i/h/e coil wires plugs pp intake 50mm tb and it did 17.2 with out the intake and tb. we where looking into boosting it and she was on team-2g.com? cant remember but this guy threw on an ebay kit and on 8 psi it hit 14.8 with problems going into overdrive ant the end of the track.

the 420a can NOT handle high boost. the rods are a compressed powder and are only good for about 10 psi on the street. yes there is one person running 15psi on stock bottom end doing 12.s butt thats alot of fuel. most people have to rum an fmu because the fuel system is not returnless so no fpr upgrades its internal at the fp. if you have to keep the auto see if you can find a pt cruiser turbo trans. its a direct bolt up and its good for 300hp+. theres your car in a nut shell good luck. and look into bolt ons before boost. happy boosting.

ya i plan on doing a full fluid flush, and tune up and all that. ya im not trying for a big hp car, just a lil more zip. but you say a PT Cruiser tranny will hook up? will it fit with any modifications?

only mod i think is you have to use your trans mount or mod the pt cruiser. its been so long man but im pretty sure thats it. post pics of the car if you get it.

i should be picking it up Wednesday hopefully. i have a near complete turbo kit. i was going to turbo my civic but i figured id enjoy it more on this Talon.. and i see ppl turbo auto n/t eclipses and talons.. just not really of auto's... but just as is, you think like 5-6 psi would work? as a dd? like nothing heavy or anything. i mean that should give it a lil more go

i boosted my mirage 1.5 auto on 5 psi and no problems besides trying to tune it. it depends on the fuel system on that car for how muck boost you want. 5 maybe on the stock fuel sys and fmu but anything more you need an safc or emanage. anyone on here will tell you you will not be happy at 5 psi.

ya i know i wont. atleast not for long. but i figure itll help me learn more though to. i plan on alot more to the car eventually. but i wanna turbo it now lol. well maybe in the spring.. lol just needa manifold, and i/c and BOV and some ic piping... i figure itll be a good start. and if i do blow the tranny, well that just gives me more reason to but a 5spd and swap it.

i would rather put a turbo on a civic and not have to worry about it falling apart the 420a is a piece of ----. search on here a guy did it and it did not turn out well and he had a ---- load of problems just like every other eclipse owner does. those car are notoriuos for being unreliable in factory form let alone turboed

im on a few forums, and ive seen alot of DSM owners do it very succesfully..

then why dont you ask them how to do it. all i know is the 420a is unreliable stock so i wouldnt turbo one. i had an eclipse with one and it sucked.

because im trying to get answers everywhere. not everyone has good experiences every time. undoubtedly, you had a bad one. im just looking for some answer i dont need anyone, to get snippy with me.

my wife had a problem with wiring and over heating. something to look out for. we ended up trading it when we found out road salt had eaten a basketball size whole in the trunk. just cross all your T's and dot your I's before you boost it. good luck.

ya i will. its gunna get a full tune up and look over before anything. but thats a big hole from salt lol

if your in salt country wash it as much as possible.

yaa.. wisconsin... they salt like 99:1 salt sand ratio in the winter. if ever more sand.. really sucks. but ohwell. i enjoy cleaning my cars and detailing them, so i dont care if they get dirtry. ugh.. few days and i get to pick up my car lol

ok well the only advise i have is watch out, and dont post a new thread in a few weeks telling us about how it broke down

ya, ive been reading, and i think on 5-7psi i should be fine.

The stock 420A is a good stock motor, however most guys find when they take them over about 200 horsepower, the stock rods grenade. As someone else stated before me the stock rods have micro-fractures all through them due to how they are manufactured (quick and cheap). Even at 6 - 7 psi you are just playing the wait game for it to blow up IMO.

Now if you put Eagle rods and Wiseco pistons in one and get the crank done right, Cometic head gasket, etc. etc. etc. they are pretty solid for up to 400 horsepower where the open deck design of the block starts to become a possible problem.

I don't know if anyone builds the auto trannies in these cars but I wouldn't push the stock one overly hard because we have worked on plenty of Neon's, N/T 2G Eclipses, and older Chrysler Cirrus based cars that get over 100,000 on the tranny and start slipping almost like a stop watch.

The front and rear strut towers are susceptible to rust on a lot of 2G eclipses as well. Some get it worse than others but it definitely was a problem from the factory. The 2G guys up in Canada have actually started a theory about which VIN codes from certain years have troubles and which do not, but I don't remember what they concluded over the years. If your interested somebody on DSMTuners or DSMTalk has probably discussed it at some point.

thanks for the advice. the car is long gone and im happy because i dont get the famous"honey my car is acting up" phone call. i have a mitsubishi so i try to learn alot about all types and models.

ic, ya on a few forums of DSM owners there have been ppl making in the 250-300hp on stock engines. they only do it for a few months to a year. i plan on internals but just not for a lil while yet. which is why im thinking that on only a few psi i should be fine for a lil while, atleast till i get more money to build the engine up. and im sure the auto tranny will hold up to a few psi of boost to. but if i do blow the engine i can also swap motors for a Evo 8 4G63, as they drop right in with lil to no modification

and im not looking for a really fast car, since will be a DD, just want that lil extra power.

As stated the 420 is not the strongest motor ever put in an eclipse but, they can take some boost just dont let urself get carried away and watch the tuning. the trans also should hold up ok as long as it is in good working order before u boost it.

ya im not gunna go crazy. just 5-7 or so for awhile

you better post pics man! no butts! i have a spare header for one lying in my closet minus the down pipe if you want it ill ask the wife how much she wants for it.

i will. i HOPEFULLY if noone screws around ill have the damn car tomorrow. you have turbo headers? or jut 4-1 or 4-2-1 header? but i dont have paypal or a credit card lol but im sure we could figure something out

we were going to do an hmt style turbo set up on hers. its a 4-1 na header u mod to fit a turbo. we have a ihi rhb5 turbo and greedy rs bov knock off lying here but i will have to ask her how much she wants for it. lol money orders work fine.

haha ok. the 4-1 would be nice. im only 19, and the way the economy is lol ima broke lil white boy lol

let me see how much she want for it. and ill let you know.

alright thanx! i know some of my questions probally where dumb or ignorant. but asking questions is the way to learn. thanx for your help and info though

No ----... the 420a is definitely not a 4G63, Chrysler vs. Mitsubishi...

ya i know that. what does that have to do with anything?

dude you are smokin the crack.. a STOCK 420A can run a reliable 5-6 PSI, running stock injectors, and minor things like a FPR, and AFR <-- THIS IS A MUST.
the 420A rods arent even compressed powder.. more like the bicycle crank from a huffy in the early 90's, but we get the picture lol


to the OP, if you want to turbo that, slow wayyy down, take a look at things from a different perspective, your gonna want injectors, a fuel pressure regulator (FPR), gauges (AFR-Air/Fuel Ratio), your going to need some kind of tuning, a piggyback of some sort, megasquirt might be too complicated for some, but you need to look into fueling and ignition timing. your going to want that flashy turbo manifold im sure, that flashy front mount intercooler, and then there is piping. also dont forget a custom exhaust setup to impliment the turbo, that can get pretty pricey depending... your gonna want 3 inch all around for sure. you prolly wont wanna run that stock cat/muffler so youll have to pay for a new cat/muffler, because an exhaust shop wont touch your car if there is no cat anymore.


the list can get quite long.
i know this is HMT and all but DAMN, its alot more complicated.

i would be worried about the trans the most they are weak ----. like stated above they start slipping at 100k like clock work

the only things i need yet, is the fuel managment, headers, i/c, BOV, exhaust, and some type of tuning. i do know its not gunna last forever. and i dont really car if it does. if the tranny goes? well theres a bunch of junkyards here with 5 speeds. so if i loose a tranny then well that gives me a very good reason to get a 5spd. but till then ill enjoy it. i appreciate your comments though guys. hopefully ill get the car tomorrow and ill post pix up

well i wish you the best of luck. however you can find the 2g dms intercooler for usually around 20 it should mount easily and will be enough for your power goals. maybe try to snag the oem exhaust from the junk yard from a turbo eclipse. all that ---- should work out for you pretty easily and cheaply

ya that what i was thinking is a smic. but im sure on like 5-7 psi itll last a while. not forever no lol. but atleast till i figure out exactly where i wanna go with it. and when i do then ill blow the tranny (if its not gone yet lol) and go from there. but i think this will be a fun project. and a good learning experience. if it dont go well? then ill just go and turbo my civic instead and scrap the Talon. hell im only paying 100 on the car

i know fpr mods are a must but his car does not even have one from factory. its all ran by the fuel pump and there is some kind of fpr at the fuel pump. i have seen it first hand 8psi on an auto 420a but yes the rods are trash but can it run moderate amounts of boost even on stock injectors but i would recommend at least running an fmu which is still hard to install because its at the back of the car. i dont know why they didnt just put the g63 in it. hell they have non turbo 2nd gen g63 in the uk but not in good ole usa. just b/s chrysler.

haha good point. well hopefully once i get the car tomorrow ill post pix to see what we're dealing with. i wish it did have the 4g63. it might acctually though.. the guy said it wasnt awd, so maybe. but i doubt lol a TSi

UK, Iceland, Germany, Austria, and some of those other smaller European countries got 2G Eclipses with non turbo 7 Bolt 4G63 engines. A good friend was over at Rammstein Air Force Base when the Fast and Furious came out years ago and he picked up one cheap/beat up that a local bar tender ran for a bit. Fixed up the body, put a lame-o body kit on it and I sold him a bunch of old 2G turbo eclipse parts like SMIC, 16G turbo with install kit, injectors, S-AFC, hard intercooler piping, old Sparco seats, etc. He got it all fixed up and running ok, turns around and SELLS the thing to a dumb ass german kid for $16 grand when he had about $6 grand in the car. That is if you don't count his own labor and since he was an Air Force mechanic he used their equipment/tools/supplies for the most part... Thought I would toss that in there, not sure why, but a good story.