250whp on a D series? What's needed?
 

I'm looking at eagle rods, JE pistons head studs and a bigassed turbo and talon injectors. Will the stock sleeves put up with this sort of punishment to make 250whp? I assume that to be able 280 at the crank.

-Michael

Re:250whp on a D series? What's needed?
 

One more thing, any junkyard type turbo you'd recommend that could meet these power goals? I believe a stock talon unit would be too small but they have a common (16G upgrade) if not then I'd be possibly looking at a Garrett GT28R.

-Michael

Re:250whp on a D series? What's needed?
 

well hack, ill be looking to push in excess of 250 hp with my y7/y8 mini me at around 16-18 psi on stock sleeves , posted block, srp 9:1 pistons, crower econobillet rods, je pro seal rings, and a t3 48/60 with 3 inch dp and exhaust....run by turboedit supporting a 3 bar map sensor

Re:250whp on a D series? What's needed?
 

Yikes, 3bar with the turboedit PM6 map? I don't know of anyone who has done this with any degree of success. I haven't finished the new turbo map lookups and may not for a while so you might have a large loss of resolution.

Anyway, I've heard mixed reviews of posting a block. Some say it's good, some say not. When will your project be complete?

-Michael

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the motor will be installed this weekend and i will break it in next week. the weekend after that i install the turbo kit and arrange with phiz to have him tune it. ef9 says i should have no problem running the 3 bar with his try21.bin which is scaled for a 3 bar map sensor

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Ok, not too long ago Blundar was asking if I could do some 3 bar testing as there didn't seem to be anyone out there with a 3 bar map.

-Michael

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im one of those test pigs..... 8) if we run into trouble ill buy a zdyne

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It has been suggested to me that this thing should be blockguarded as well.

Personally I'm starting to think he should just drop a mazda B6T motor in there with some pistons and rods. That combo would have no trouble putting out more than 300hp.

-Michael

Re:250whp on a D series? What's needed?
 

there are plenty of motors cpable of 300+ hp, the point i would assume of a d-series is to keep it simple and fairly cheap. ive heard good things about the strength of d-series sleeves, but i posted mine anyway. i dont see the need for a blockguard, especially since a lot of people have had bad experiences. im sure theyre decent when welded in and the cooling holes are bigger though

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these are the best ones ive seen so far, from golden eagle.http://www.goldeneaglemfg.com/street.html

.http://www.goldeneaglemfg.com/images...blockguard.jpg

Re:250whp on a D series? What's needed?
 

yea, those do look better than orhers.
i'm going w/ a6 posted block, srp's 9.1's, either eagle(if the guy ever comes through)or ls rods (already purchased and machined), turbo edit(will try) or zdyne eng mgt, 14b turbo, 1gen DSM BOV, TMIC, 450's, blah, blah, blah.

i'm gonna try to push 275-300 whp w/ this setup.

if ur thinking bout that kind of power... definitely do a wb o2 dyno tuning session.... don't skimp!

just remember: torque gets u there, horsepower keeps u there! the tq #'s are just as much as important (if not more) as the hp #'s!

mike

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Listen with no problem will you be able to pull 250whp out of a d series, i live in east central FL and i have like 4 friends who are pulling that much out of their civics no problem, i have a civic coupe with a sohc turbo and i am probably right around 200whp now, i just need some injectors and i will be good to go. just make sure you keep enough fuel going to the engine and you could easily pull more like 300hp out of it.

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oh ya and all those motors are totally stock!

Re:250whp on a D series? What's needed?
 

not on stock internals you wont....rods go byebye after 220 or so

Re:250whp on a D series? What's needed?
 

No sorry they wont go anywhere until more like 300hp, i have several friends who have done it and are running high 12's with stock rods, the only thing done to these engines are head gasket and head studs

Re:250whp on a D series? What's needed?
 

how many friends are several friends.. and what sorts of proof you got? You can see all sorts of problems that happen when you push to hard, and you are the guy saying different. Anybody have some dyno sheets?

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I completely believe him. Soome people run their ---- on the breaking point. They'll hold it now but they'll eventually blow. I have a buddy who does this all the time. He never leaves the track with a running car but he get a couple really fast runs in.

Bottom line is the metallurgic properties of the motor can't handle it. It may handle it for a while but one day it does go.

My d-series has only headstuds and a headgasket, maybe I'll hit 500hp

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A dude that lives in Orlando by me, pushed 302whp with just head studs and 2mm head gasket on a 160K mile D16Z6 with no port work or anything... stock cam... A6 intake !!!

He used a T3/T4 garrett turbo.

He did something bone headed and over heated the car and warped the head, then took it back to the dyno and it HYDRO-LOCKed on him.. He was on race gas during the 302whp runs @ 17psi, but ran 93 oct. @12-13psi daily for like 3 months... His car also ran 11.80... It was powered by the all mighty AFC HACK also ( I've asked how he got it to run 17psi and he just shrugs basiclly ). It had a lot of dyno time since he works at a dyno place..

I tend to agree with the other guys about the reliabily of 300hp on a D-series.... Its a time bomb... But I also think that 300 at the track and 200 daily is two totally different things...

CHEAP PLUG TIME !!!
I'd bet the SVO turbo I'm selling for $195shipped would make 250whp with-in the AFC-hacks boost limits !!! .60.63 60 trim !!! E-mail for pics !!! rebuilt 1K miles ago by garrett !!! perfect shape and I REALLY need a new clutch ( reason for selling ).

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svo 60/63? sure if i wanted to spool at 6000 rpms. i got a 48/60 that will bring me closer to 300

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I can give you/him the e-mail addresses of about 100 people who'd rather have the .63 turbine housing over the .48 housing, but what do I know... The housings are completly interchangable, the .48 will fit right on the SVO turbo too. I know, I used the volvo .48 housing to protect the SVOs turbine wheels when I was coating the .63 turbine housing.

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Ya sure eventually if you run a stock d series everyday hard it will blow but me and 3 of my friends run our cars everyday on lower boost and turn it up on track night, we have only blown one engine and that was because of lack of fuel. the engine that blew had no injectors which we all know equals not enough fuel for high boost. but other than that we have been as high as 17lb of boost with a stock engine every friday night at the track with no problems.

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I've skimmed.... I might have missed



How do you plan to put the power down? LSD? I'm getting my butt kicked with traction problems. Its not cool.

Nick

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youre talking about boosteded9

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just get some vinyl stickers! that should be good for about 50HP i figure

Or better yet a bigger hamster!

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jakal ill make sure to add that one to your bullshit post count....

Re:250whp on a D series? What's needed?
 

wow too many people cry about spool up times... i had full boost by 4100, quit bitching about it because your not gona spool at 6000 witha straight t3 60/63 i guarantee it...

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^^^^the D series god has spoken. How is that new setup going? ??? Any updates?
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Re:250whp on a D series? What's needed?
 

Speak of the devil and he shall appear !!!

BoostedED9 my car ran 14.6 at 94mph last week at Brandingtion. After I get another clutch and MBC ( so we can adjust the WG on the fly ) I'll be coming by your shop/dyno. Coastal towards Tampa is WAY TOO EXPENSIVE.

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I say you need a thick headgasket, a big turbo and some good fuel manegement.

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I agree. Garage Advance = great tuning.. reasonable price. We had a dyno day there, and my friend has his turbo sol tuned there. Its nice. =)