2003 Eclipse GTS-T 80% complete
07-08-2011, 05:05 PM
#162
0.0 BAR
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 1
Thanks Lando for linking me to this.
Did he even get to pick one? All that JB weld couldn't have been cheap.
Few things I thought that I should point out.
-The 3g Eclipse ecu, while flashable, is unsuitable for boosted applications with the stock rom. There are modified versions available that should let you tune the car more reliably. Most roms are available for free. Join a 3g forum and they should be able to help get you setup there. (Free)
-Blowing into your IC pips with your mouth does not constitute a boost leak test. All you need is a spare coupler, a PCV cap the size of your coupler, and an air fitting so you can attach an air compressor to it. If you can't hold 15psi in the piping for a few minutes, you have leaks. Bust out some soapy water and start checking all your welds and clamps. These leaks are one of the reasons for your slow spool. ($10)
-Take a welding class. Your welds look like poo. You wouldn't be getting half these negative comments if your welds were even remotely decent.
-While the secondary air scoop was a good idea, it is flawed. The air flows through your FMIC because the pressure in front if it is higher than the pressure behind it. If you put a scoop behind it to get air to the radiator, you increase the pressure behind the FMIC, thus lowering the airflow through the FMIC. You can get away with it because the air charge from the turbo isn't going to be that hot from running 5 psi. A better choice would have been to duct everything from the front bumper through the FMIC to radiator. Then your fans would help pull the air though them all. ($20 for some sheet metal/foam tape)
-Solder and shrink wrap all your electrical stuff. Shoddy electrical tape jobs allow moisture to get inside and corrode the wiring. Eventually, the connection will break, leaving a nasty electrical gremlin to track down. ($0.79 for the electrical tape. $15 for a soldering gun. $2 for some soldering flux, $2 for solder)
I think I'm done. My eyes hurt.
Did he even get to pick one? All that JB weld couldn't have been cheap.
Few things I thought that I should point out.
-The 3g Eclipse ecu, while flashable, is unsuitable for boosted applications with the stock rom. There are modified versions available that should let you tune the car more reliably. Most roms are available for free. Join a 3g forum and they should be able to help get you setup there. (Free)
-Blowing into your IC pips with your mouth does not constitute a boost leak test. All you need is a spare coupler, a PCV cap the size of your coupler, and an air fitting so you can attach an air compressor to it. If you can't hold 15psi in the piping for a few minutes, you have leaks. Bust out some soapy water and start checking all your welds and clamps. These leaks are one of the reasons for your slow spool. ($10)
-Take a welding class. Your welds look like poo. You wouldn't be getting half these negative comments if your welds were even remotely decent.
-While the secondary air scoop was a good idea, it is flawed. The air flows through your FMIC because the pressure in front if it is higher than the pressure behind it. If you put a scoop behind it to get air to the radiator, you increase the pressure behind the FMIC, thus lowering the airflow through the FMIC. You can get away with it because the air charge from the turbo isn't going to be that hot from running 5 psi. A better choice would have been to duct everything from the front bumper through the FMIC to radiator. Then your fans would help pull the air though them all. ($20 for some sheet metal/foam tape)
-Solder and shrink wrap all your electrical stuff. Shoddy electrical tape jobs allow moisture to get inside and corrode the wiring. Eventually, the connection will break, leaving a nasty electrical gremlin to track down. ($0.79 for the electrical tape. $15 for a soldering gun. $2 for some soldering flux, $2 for solder)
I think I'm done. My eyes hurt.
Last edited by knochgoon24; 07-08-2011 at 05:07 PM.
07-08-2011, 05:07 PM
#163
1.5 BAR
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: CHICAGO
Posts: 935
Im pretty sure im not insacure about the quality of my work, and I was giving constructive comments, if you saw someone building a house, or a bridge and doing it horribly wrong, and *JB welding it togeather, you would encourage them?
Ive been building and playing with cars for a while just like you guys, but there is a correct and overall better way to do it, on a tight budget or not. Take your car to a shop that actually has won awards and know how to do it, see how much contructive commentary they will give. They wont make you feel all good like your the best for hack jobbing it in your garage.
Ya I saw "busa's" build thread. You sir, have nothing to say to me worth any merrit at all. But you guys win, continue patting yourselves on the back for marginal at best work, maybe all the 15 year olds with no money or a car will think your the coolest.
I mean by Busa's logic my 2.0 pushing 20psi should by all means really turn into a 5.0L. Brilliant.
Home made turbo does not have to mean hack job from home turbo. I didnt realize this when I signed up, I may have been missinformed.
Ive been building and playing with cars for a while just like you guys, but there is a correct and overall better way to do it, on a tight budget or not. Take your car to a shop that actually has won awards and know how to do it, see how much contructive commentary they will give. They wont make you feel all good like your the best for hack jobbing it in your garage.
Ya I saw "busa's" build thread. You sir, have nothing to say to me worth any merrit at all. But you guys win, continue patting yourselves on the back for marginal at best work, maybe all the 15 year olds with no money or a car will think your the coolest.
I mean by Busa's logic my 2.0 pushing 20psi should by all means really turn into a 5.0L. Brilliant.
Home made turbo does not have to mean hack job from home turbo. I didnt realize this when I signed up, I may have been missinformed.
"I mean by Busa's logic my 2.0 pushing 20psi should by all means really turn into a 5.0L. Brilliant" not sure what this comment is supossed to mean. as far as merrit. i dont need to prove anything to you. my current build isnt even on here as i am still working on it. the only build i think that is on this site was my motorcycle turbo build i did 4 years ago.
07-08-2011, 05:34 PM
#164
0.0 BAR
Join Date: May 2011
Location: In a house.
Posts: 36
"I mean by Busa's logic my 2.0 pushing 20psi should by all means really turn into a 5.0L. Brilliant" not sure what this comment is supossed to mean. as far as merrit. i dont need to prove anything to you. my current build isnt even on here as i am still working on it. the only build i think that is on this site was my motorcycle turbo build i did 4 years ago.
displacement increases as boost is added. ex: a 1000cc engine n/a is at most 80-90% ve. which makes it ~800-900cc engine. when boost is applied that ve goes up over 100%. most boosted application are 120-130% ve. which would make the 1000cc engine like a 1200-1300cc engine. this is all just a calculation. nothing major needed to figure out what turbo is required for a specific engine displacement and how much boost wanted.
You dont have to prove anything to me, frankly you prove yourself by posting what you feel is correct. I felt I tried to keep my posts nice, but you seem to have a love for using the F word in a wide variety of ways, so at least you have that going for you. I fear for the peoples cars your "tech training and years of service" have lead you to put your hands on.
So all in all, good luck to all you who want to build at this level. You do have to start somewhere, I suggest taking a little more time, doing some searching and reading, and not all on random internet forums, and spending some money. Lambo's arn't cheap, corvette's arn't cheap, EVO's arn't cheap, STi's arn't cheap, race cars arn't cheap... I dont see why people forget that power, driveablity, and reliability is not cheap.
07-08-2011, 05:42 PM
#165
0.0 BAR
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 1
Ill give you props on actually boosting the car. You set out with a goal, and succeeded. Congrats on that. Everyone else is busting your ***** on mistakes and whatnot. You started this when you were 17, I think thats a feat on its own. I know what its like to be that age, and can't wait to do any and everything to your car. There were things that could've been different, but whatever. Your car runs, with a Homemade turbo setup. I think its pretty bad *** man. Show some updated when you can.
Cj.
Cj.
07-08-2011, 09:26 PM
#166
0.0 BAR
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 1
LOLOLOLOLOL
I can't believe there are people seriously defending this kid. Yeah, okay he made it himself, congrats. I could make my own rocket and if it never makes it to space, I still made my own rocket.
I can't believe there are people seriously defending this kid. Yeah, okay he made it himself, congrats. I could make my own rocket and if it never makes it to space, I still made my own rocket.
Last edited by SpawnedX; 07-08-2011 at 09:35 PM.
07-08-2011, 09:29 PM
#167
0.0 BAR
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 1
Hmm, I just read through 17 pages of... well... stuff. I think what you did to that car is horrid and want to kick you in the sack. BUT, you actually got it to work and it's ran for a year. I'd give some mad props to the 6G72 engine. You can't have any clue what a/f's are with a narrowband btw... That's just a blinkly light that makes you feel warm and fuzzy inside because it reminds you of xmas.
I think what most are actually angry about(including me) is the fact that you make us real tuners look like a bunch of rejects... I mean you raced a family car and though you did something... Thanks for the bad name we get.
I think what most are actually angry about(including me) is the fact that you make us real tuners look like a bunch of rejects... I mean you raced a family car and though you did something... Thanks for the bad name we get.
07-09-2011, 01:43 PM
#168
0.5 BAR
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 99
See this is why people hate 3rd gen eclipse owners.
1. They are stupid as ---- about cars. i.e. you.
2. They love to rice the ---- outa their cars. *Take your piece of ---- for instance. Prime example.
3. No real person buys a 3rd gen eclipse and thinks it is a good platform for performance. (see *)
4. 3rd gens breed fail (see *).
Emery please kill yourself and save the genetic pool from your dna pollution.
Oh BTW noice bodykit. ***. Please choke on a dick and have a nice ------- day.
1. They are stupid as ---- about cars. i.e. you.
2. They love to rice the ---- outa their cars. *Take your piece of ---- for instance. Prime example.
3. No real person buys a 3rd gen eclipse and thinks it is a good platform for performance. (see *)
4. 3rd gens breed fail (see *).
Emery please kill yourself and save the genetic pool from your dna pollution.
Oh BTW noice bodykit. ***. Please choke on a dick and have a nice ------- day.
Last edited by ezspoolin; 07-09-2011 at 01:46 PM.
07-10-2011, 02:06 PM
#169
0.5 BAR
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Russellville AR
Posts: 123
Man dont listen to the hating. There is some good advise hidden in there though.
Everyone has to start somewhere. At least he did this to his car and used it as a test and not someone else's.
With welding practice makes perfect. If he hasn't been welding long its almost always goin to look like ----.
I give you props for doing it yourself. Nothing is ever perfect when you are first learning. I have blown up so much ---- back in the day when I was first starting to mes with turbos.
You have learned from your mistakes and have changed out stuff as you went. IE the A2W and the battery relocation. You have learned that JB weld wont hold boost and that you cant just wrap ---- like that with elec tape. I bet you have learned so much from just jumping in and doing the ---- yourself. If you are like me you cant afford to just start paying a custom fabricator or ordering off the self hi end parts. You can budget build a car and have it dependable and fast. It just takes time to do it and alot of research and -----ups. As your welding skills improve you can always build a Y pipe and down pipe.
Most kids your age wouldnt even think about doing somethin like this and if they started it wouldnt be able to get it to run or even finished. You do have a long ways to go to get it right and looking good. Just keep it up and take the bitching and insults with a grain of salt. There is alot more you need to learn but I am sure you have learned alot as it is. If you have any questions feel free to hit me up on here. I am like some of the guys on here and have been building cars for over 20 years and learned from some awesome people in the industry.
Everyone has to start somewhere. At least he did this to his car and used it as a test and not someone else's.
With welding practice makes perfect. If he hasn't been welding long its almost always goin to look like ----.
I give you props for doing it yourself. Nothing is ever perfect when you are first learning. I have blown up so much ---- back in the day when I was first starting to mes with turbos.
You have learned from your mistakes and have changed out stuff as you went. IE the A2W and the battery relocation. You have learned that JB weld wont hold boost and that you cant just wrap ---- like that with elec tape. I bet you have learned so much from just jumping in and doing the ---- yourself. If you are like me you cant afford to just start paying a custom fabricator or ordering off the self hi end parts. You can budget build a car and have it dependable and fast. It just takes time to do it and alot of research and -----ups. As your welding skills improve you can always build a Y pipe and down pipe.
Most kids your age wouldnt even think about doing somethin like this and if they started it wouldnt be able to get it to run or even finished. You do have a long ways to go to get it right and looking good. Just keep it up and take the bitching and insults with a grain of salt. There is alot more you need to learn but I am sure you have learned alot as it is. If you have any questions feel free to hit me up on here. I am like some of the guys on here and have been building cars for over 20 years and learned from some awesome people in the industry.
