Selling manifolds: Why it sucks.
07-16-2006, 09:52 PM
#31
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Re: Selling manifolds: Why it sucks.
SlappyNuts, OMG you're right! I've asked Geoff on a couple of occasions about their robotic tig, and have been to their shop numerous occasions, but have never actually seen it! That would be to F'n funny if it doesn't actually exist, and it was just a a bunch of BS from Full Race that they had one.
I'm gonna have to make an effort to see this thing now...
Craig
I'm gonna have to make an effort to see this thing now...
Craig
07-16-2006, 10:04 PM
#32
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Re: Selling manifolds: Why it sucks.
Originally Posted by TunerToys
SlappyNuts, OMG you're right! I've asked Geoff on a couple of occasions about their robotic tig, and have been to their shop numerous occasions, but have never actually seen it! That would be to F'n funny if it doesn't actually exist, and it was just a a bunch of BS from Full Race that they had one.
I'm gonna have to make an effort to see this thing now...
Craig
I'm gonna have to make an effort to see this thing now...
Craig
07-16-2006, 10:46 PM
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Re: Selling manifolds: Why it sucks.
I'd say FR's welder exists simply because the welds around the tubing looks significantly different than the welds on the collector....
As for making manifolds. There are three types of manifold makers in the honda market right now.
1) Kid in the garage/small shop making very affordable manifolds on a budget. Problems, see hotrex and every welder Stealthmode has ever worked with.
2) "Professional Shop" making manifolds for a good price, and offering better than average service and quality. Problem is, these shops generally just weld ---- together much like example 1. Very little R&D into actually how to make a manifold that makes more power than your average manifold.
3) Shops out there to make power. They R&D their product and know their ----. They offer you high quality parts and good customer service and most of all, they make ------- power. The only problem is, their time, product, and effort requires them to charge quite a bit of money in order to make a profit.
Honda Market is full of 1&2. #3 is a rarity.
As for making manifolds. There are three types of manifold makers in the honda market right now.
1) Kid in the garage/small shop making very affordable manifolds on a budget. Problems, see hotrex and every welder Stealthmode has ever worked with.
2) "Professional Shop" making manifolds for a good price, and offering better than average service and quality. Problem is, these shops generally just weld ---- together much like example 1. Very little R&D into actually how to make a manifold that makes more power than your average manifold.
3) Shops out there to make power. They R&D their product and know their ----. They offer you high quality parts and good customer service and most of all, they make ------- power. The only problem is, their time, product, and effort requires them to charge quite a bit of money in order to make a profit.
Honda Market is full of 1&2. #3 is a rarity.
07-17-2006, 02:18 AM
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Re: Selling manifolds: Why it sucks.
Originally Posted by Inquisition
3) Shops out there to make power. They R&D their product and know their ----. They offer you high quality parts and good customer service and most of all, they make ------- power. The only problem is, their time, product, and effort requires them to charge quite a bit of money in order to make a profit.
07-17-2006, 05:15 AM
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Re: Selling manifolds: Why it sucks.
Originally Posted by rawr
they just blow smoke up your *** and tell you its R&D.
Welcome to the racing world
Has far has r&d turbo manifolds are what they are. ---- a log manifold is a log
You nned a good fab/welder more than anything
Has far has port work,cam design etc this is where R&D is needed
Also most import companies in the last 2-3 years have gone belly up or have been bought out. Major players at one time like lightspeed dont even exist anymore and Dc is now run by aem just for examples and these companies did r&d and past.
R&D costs an *** load of money and every kid wants dynos etc of everything and every set up. Its not gonna happen
Simple if someone has been doin what they do for sometime r&d is life. I know what works with what i do i dont need to post it to the world or dyno every single thing
07-17-2006, 09:58 AM
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Re: Selling manifolds: Why it sucks.
I agree with about 99% of this.
I HATE making manifolds. Too much dicking around for what you make! My business partner is the one who makes our manifold, as he knows how to weld SS as it was his past job so I trust him 3-fold.
I only make manifolds for close friends. He might be making for real customers. but not by orders, have them done then sell.
I HATE making manifolds. Too much dicking around for what you make! My business partner is the one who makes our manifold, as he knows how to weld SS as it was his past job so I trust him 3-fold.
I only make manifolds for close friends. He might be making for real customers. but not by orders, have them done then sell.
07-17-2006, 01:13 PM
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Re: Selling manifolds: Why it sucks.
If I was going to make and sell manifolds, I'd pre-make the head flange welded to the runners/collector for B and D series. Orders would be based upon Turbo flange and wastegate so you'd be able to finish it quickly and get it in the mail. I think that would be the best way for the buyer and seller
