Re: I'm the new guy...
 

those are good welds for flux core

Re: I'm the new guy...
 

There are a couple of these 2300/16V engines running at the moment (two or three, as far as I know...) and several in the works - I'm not exactly trailblazing, but I am incorporating a lot of little touches that I haven't seen yet, such as the internal oil feed for the upper head (pictured with the pencil through it)... seems like everyone else is running a rubber hose outside the head. ---- running a rubber hose in an engine w/o cam bearings - that's not a risk I'm willing to take. :3

Again, thanks for the kind words. :P

Colin

Re: I'm the new guy...
 

It seems that a few of us turboforder's have migrated over hear as well. ;) the project is coming along. keep it up.

Re: I'm the new guy...
 

do these engines share a similar background or something? If they share cylinder spacing and head bolt locations, thats just kinda wierd.

Re: I'm the new guy...
 

No, they don't share a background - Ford designed the Lima (2.3) in the 70's (maybe the 60's?) and the Volvo B234F wasn't even around until the late 80's... they weren't even corporate partners at that time. Just a weird coincidence, I guess. As far as the actual head modifications, it's pretty simple:

• a block of aluminum must be welded to the rear of the head to cover up two water jacket ports and an unused oil drain passage
• two of the oil drain passages in the head need to be reduced in size, one needs to be closed
• a few of the water jacket ports in the head need to be ground larger to match the Ford's
• need to figure out a way to get oil to the oil galleys in the upper head (I had the local welding shop add material to the outside of the head and drill a hole through)

Colin

Re: I'm the new guy...
 

wow :o

Re: I'm the new guy...
 

Alright... I finally got the head surfaced and had a valve grind performed. Put a set of ARP head studs in the block and secured the whole mess on Saturday night:


http://homepage.mac.com/limefrog/con...6-Images/0.jpg

http://homepage.mac.com/limefrog/con...6-Images/1.jpg

http://homepage.mac.com/limefrog/con...6-Images/2.jpg
Notice the spacers under the center three nuts on the intake side - the spacers are 1/2" ID x 1" OD x 1.5" height. The idea behind them is to help equalize the torque applied to the head by using the same length stud in every position. We'll see whether it helps or hinders - either way, thanks to Hal Lovato (FknBadFkr at turboford.net) for the inspiration. :)



Next up, I got my fuel lines put together and installed, along with the el cheapo OBX-R fuel pressure regulator:

http://homepage.mac.com/limefrog/con...6-Images/3.jpg

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Anyone know if this thing is hooked up right? It didn't come with any instructions and the other regulators of this type (AEM, for example) use both side ports as inlets, the bottom for the return line, and a nipple on top for the boost reference. This doesn't have any nipple on top, but instead has one on the bottom port. I'm thinking they just kinda intend it to be used on inline-configuration engines with only one fuel rail, as opposed to other brands, which can accomodate dual rails. At least I hope that's what the deal is... :1


On the intake side of things, I finally got the cossie manifold welded to the Volvo flange by a local welding outfit. Yes, I farm out the aluminum TIG'ing... :l

http://homepage.mac.com/limefrog/con...6-Images/5.jpg

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Got some T-bolt clamps from Napa, rather than ordering them online... now to roll a bead or two into those charge pipes...

http://homepage.mac.com/limefrog/con...6-Images/7.jpg


And I nabbed a sweet emblem off a B234F Volvo in the junkyard - should be quite a conversation piece if anyone knows Merkurs... :y

http://homepage.mac.com/limefrog/con...6-Images/8.jpg

My goal is to have the car running sometime in May, if not before.

Colin

Re: I'm the new guy...
 

best of luck on getting it running its been down long enough! tell kenan to stop being such a body builder queer and finish his escort!

NEUMAN

Re: I'm the new guy...
 

napa carries tbolt clamps? ???

Re: I'm the new guy...
 

that thing looks incredible, cant wait to see some power numbers when its done

Re: I'm the new guy...
 

Believe me, I've tried! His car has been sitting in the shop, untouched, for over a year. I'm getting ready to bolt the doors and hatch back on, throw all his parts inside, and push the car into the barn. :7

Yeah, dude... they were like $2.50 apiece, on the shelf. Beats the hell out of mail order stuff. :)

Colin

Re: I'm the new guy...
 

one of only 2 people i know in my entire area that do. At least at the warehouse. Nice quality ones too.

Re: Ford 2300/Volvo 16V/Holset/Megasquirt
 

straight up awesome. 2.3 turbo's are sick, i remember seeing some guys mustang that had a holset and he was trying to put a volvo head on it, but never updated the site. Awesome work, beats paying the $2500 something for a good aluminum head right? What t belt did you end up using?

*** i think your liscense plate should be your sn!

Re: Ford 2300/Volvo 16V/Holset/Megasquirt
 

That thing is retarded.

Re: Ford 2300/Volvo 16V/Holset/Megasquirt
 

i hope your being sarcastic ???

Re: Ford 2300/Volvo 16V/Holset/Megasquirt
 

I mean retarded in the good way. i.e. "Let's get retarded" or "Hey girl, I saw you across the bar - lookin all retarded. You wanna get outta here?"

but seriously i cant wait to see this thing run. I've got the same head in my vovo.

Re: Ford 2300/Volvo 16V/Holset/Megasquirt
 

vovo, ha! Sounds like you do have drinking on your mind. Yea, i was gonna say... even if you ------- hate fords, you cant say that what he's doing isnt fuciking sick. Most of us HMT'ers are so spoiled with are hondas we dont even realize it.

Re: Ford 2300/Volvo 16V/Holset/Megasquirt
 

I think you're talking about Stackz (from turboford.net) - he's been busy with school/work but he's updated his site on a somewhat regular basis. His engine is all built up (bottom end with correct 16v relief pistons and stuff...) so he's kinda doing it the "right" way - i'm just trying to see if this thing will run and make decent power before I dump a holy assload of money into it (not that I haven't already. :1)

Oh, and I changed my signature for ya... ;D

Colin

Re: Ford 2300/Volvo 16V/Holset/Megasquirt
 

Oh yeah, and it's a 4G63 timing belt.. I had planned to use one from a 3.0 SOHC Stealth, but I figured it's be a lot easier to find a decent (Kevlar?) belt for a DSM, so I rerouted it a little and made a new tensioner. :y

Colin

Re: Ford 2300/Volvo 16V/Holset/Megasquirt
 

awesome, keep up the good fab work and definatly keep the updates coming. I'm quite curious to see what kind of numbers this thing is going to spit out.

Re: Ford 2300/Volvo 16V/Holset/Megasquirt
 

You and me both! ;D

I've been waiting on some o-rings for the spark plug tubes to arrive for two weeks now from our Auto Value store in Rollete, ND... they finally got here today, so I'll probably have my upper head bolted down this weekend. :)

Also, I started messing with my throttle body and cable the other day, too.. looks like I'll have to shorten the hell out of the cable and adapt the Crown Victoria end to it (using a 65mm TB from a 4.6L) - does anyone here know of a place that will build a throttle cable to a customer's specs? I've been having varied success with the JB Weld + chisel-crimp method to assemble a cable. So far, I've only been practicing on the parts cars' cables, and I really don't wanna screw up on the real deal as these cars aren't exactly the most common to find in a junkyard. :X

Colin

Re: Ford 2300/Volvo 16V/Holset/Megasquirt
 

i was wondering when you would break out the jb weld... crimping the end on the cable doesnt hold up?

Re: Ford 2300/Volvo 16V/Holset/Megasquirt
 

Colin, thats a pretty cool project.
i'm really supprized that the volvo and 2.3liter ford motor have same cylinder spacing. but its cool!!
i love custom fab stuff!
i'll be interested to see this thing run :) be sure to post some vids :)

Re: Ford 2300/Volvo 16V/Holset/Megasquirt
 

Nah, it held up a little too well.. I gave it a few good smacks with a hammer and chisel and now the cable won't slide into the sheath. :1

Colin

Re: Ford 2300/Volvo 16V/Holset/Megasquirt
 

You and quite a few thousand others.
I see this type of project started and pictures posted alot, have yet to see one in 3-D actually running/driving. Looks like waaaayyy too much work for not much gain. Each his/her own though and good luck, hope it's powerful in the end (I'd hope for 400 hp if I did all that fabbing )

Re: Ford 2300/Volvo 16V/Holset/Megasquirt
 

Yeah, well.. I've witnessed firsthand two 2300/16V engines running (both of which made over 400 whp)... and both of them seemed to be fabbed up a little more ghetto than this. There's not a doubt in my mind this thing will run and make decent power. And if it only makes 350hp, it ain't going to break my heart - I'm not trying to prove to the world that this head swap is all about producing insane peak power. ;)

Colin

Re: Ford 2300/Volvo 16V/Holset/Megasquirt
 

Dude, I'm not knocking ya so no need for the defensive position. It's your car and your time and I truely hope it works out for you.
On the 350 goal, that there, in my eyes is not enough of a reason to go through all the labor/fab time. You can cover that number with a ported iron head, header, turbo and tuning. I'm just all for the simple :)
Again, good luck and I hope it turns out TO YOUR SATISFACTION. Because in the grand scheme of things, that is all that really matters.

Re: Ford 2300/Volvo 16V/Holset/Megasquirt
 

Ya, I re-read your reply after I had posted and caught a better vibe, but I didn't bother to go back and edit my post. :-X

The fab work, to me, is "worth it" just to have something unique. I'm also interested to see what kind of powerband this thing has. But yeah.. it's great to open the hood on a vehicle and get confused looks. :P

Colin

Re: Ford 2300/Volvo 16V/Holset/Megasquirt
 

----, people get that just seeing a turbo Ford with a 4 banger :S So I know you'll get all types of confused, head scratching at the local street scene ;D

Re: Ford 2300/Volvo 16V/Holset/Megasquirt
 

Ahh, well.. the not-exactly-local street scene, that is. There are a few retardos :1 who hang out locally and don't exactly appreciate my company, so I tend to go down to St. Paul... :y

Colin

Re: Ford 2300/Volvo 16V/Holset/Megasquirt
 

Colin, sick setup, Ive been watching this for a while, Great work man!!

Re: Ford 2300/Volvo 16V/Holset/Megasquirt
 

ive been waiting since ever! get it going already, sheesh

Re: Ford 2300/Volvo 16V/Holset/Megasquirt
 

Gimme $500 and it'll run TONIGHT. ;D

Re: Ford 2300/Volvo 16V/Holset/Megasquirt
 

LOL, I know that's right.........Great Retort!

Re: Ford 2300/Volvo 16V/Holset/Megasquirt
 

ahh the old B234FT , was gonna put 1 in my car :y

Re: Ford 2300/Volvo 16V/Holset/Megasquirt
 

Yes, sir! ;D

Maybe I should've just put the whole engine in there... :1

Re: Ford 2300/Volvo 16V/Holset/Megasquirt
 

That's insane. I've seen this somewhere else though...

Re: Ford 2300/Volvo 16V/Holset/Megasquirt
 

Thats some amazing ingenuity man. I think You should be very impressed with that setup. I think anytime you can make something this far out work its well worth the effort. To say you made a Volvo head fit a Ford 2.3 thats some damn good bragging rights on its own.

Im also anxious to see this running,

I almost bought an XR4ti about 11 years ago as my first car. I could'nt get the money at that time. Ive liked those cars for a long time.
I remember an article in European car with one with a Cosworth engine swap in L.A. had like 500 hp I was amazed back then by it.

Re: Ford 2300/Volvo 16V/Holset/Megasquirt
 

wow that is just awesome. I can't wait to see the outcome.

Re: Ford 2300/Volvo 16V/Holset/Megasquirt
 

Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised - I do have this tendency to post my pictures on every forum I join. And that's a lot... :S

Yeah, these things are awesome... I'm not a big fan of Ford, but I've gotta hand it to 'em on the Sierra chassis... they really hit the nail on the head. Even 25 years after being released, these thing are still modified like modern cars... solid things, they are. If you put one up on a hoist and check out the underside, you would hardly be able to tell it's not a 3-series BMW, too. :) RWD, semi-trailing IRS, apparently the damn fuel filter is even in the same location. :o

Aaaaanyway, I loves me these cars. :y

Colin