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Toysrme 08-28-2007 01:06 PM

Electrode, Filler & Gas Selections
 
See below...

SpankedYA! 08-28-2007 02:44 PM

Re: Electrode, Filler & Gas Selections
 

Aint seen ne1 post one so I figured I'd write one real quick.

SMAW (Stick)

Carbon Steels:

* E6010, Run DCEP. Flat beads, deep penetration, common & cheap, good on poor preparation. Good for root passes, especially on pipe.
* E7018, Run DCEP or AC. Low-hydrogen, great for fill / cap passes, low skill involved, high quality welds.

Stainless Steels:

* 301-305 to 301-305 Stainless steels use E308-XX
* 301-305 Stainless to non-stainless steels use E309-XX
* 316 Stainless steel use E316-XX
* 321 & 347 Stainless steels use E347-XX

XX denotes -15, or -18 (EX: E308-15)
-15 runs DCEP & is easier out of position
-18 runs DCEP and AC. Has less arc blow & good for thicker metals.
Cast Iron:

* #55 (EniFeCl), stronger, less ductil & cheaper.
* #99 (ENiCl) high nickel, easier to weld

Pre-heat to 350*F, maintain 350-600*F between weld passes. Post heat, and insulating (sand / blanket / dirt) is recommended. Once welded, do not disturb for 48 hours.
I do not recommend welding turbo manifolds. Because the nickle will expand much more than the cast iron under excessive temperatures, it will eventually crack. (The best way I know to weld an exhaust manifold successfully is oxy-fuel / tig with a real cast iron filler.)
Aluminum:
E4043
I do not recommend. Requires too much experience, not enough common selection of rods.

GMAW (mig), and GTAW (tig) wire / filler

Carbon Steels:

* ER70S-2, Easy to weld all positions, most common, least cost. use C25 gas.
* ER70S-6, Most resilient to mill scale & rust, use C02 & higher currents.
* ER70S-A1, Even more expensive. Addition of Moly increases weld strength & corrosion resistance at high temperature.

Stainless Steels:

* For 301-305 to 301-305 stainless steels use ER308, or ER308H. The higher carbon content of ER308H rods increass strength at high temperature.
* For 301-305 stainless steels to carbon steel forgings use ER307.
* For 301-305 stainless steels to carbon steel castings, and general mild carbon steel use ER307, or ER309. 307 is stronger at high temperature, 309 is more resistant to corrosion.
* For 316 stainless steels use ER316, or ER316H. The higher carbon content of ER316H rods increass strength at high temperature.
* For 321 stainless steels use ER321 or ER347
* For 347 stainless steels use ER347

Aluminum
ER4043, ER4145, ER5356 are common.
Please consult a chart for the correct choice.


FCAW (flux-core, wire feed. sex welds)

Carbon Steels:

* ER71T-1M, DCEP. All position (no downhill), cheap, dual-shielded requiring C25 shielding gas, multi-pass is OK when flux is cleaned.
* ER71T-7, DCEN. All position (no downhill), cheap, no shielding gas, multi-pass is OK when flux is cleaned.
* ER71T-9, DCEN. ALl position (no downhill), cheap, dual-shielded requiring CO2 shielding gas. multi-pass is OK when flux is cleaned.
* ER71T-13, DCEN. All position (no downhill), cheap, no shielding gas, single pass only. If you have a chinese welder, or are welding under atleast 180amps. This is the flux-core wire you want to buy.

Note. All non-EXXX-13 FCAW welding is done in spray transfer. HF/chinese buzz-boxes can not achieve the current & voltage needed for spray transfer. They should be avoided at the gross amount of inclusions in the weld if weld quality is a concern. If you are using one... To get a quality weld you must use ERXXT-13 wire, and it can-not be multi-passed.


GMAW (mig) gas selections!
Short Circuit (low currents & voltage ranges). Primarily small boxes.
Carbon Steels use C25. High speeds, minimum spatter & distortion. Good apperance. Good control out of position. And virtually eliminates undercut if you're remotely in the ballpark of correct welding angles.
Stainless Steels use a tri-mix. 90% Helium, 7.5% Argon, 2.5% C02. No effect on corrosion resistance, minimal distortion. Good apperance, virtually no undercutting, small heat aaffected zone.
Aluminum use pure argon on sheet metal and, 75-25 mix of argon & helium on 1/8" and greater.
Spray transfer (high currents & voltage ranges)
Carbon Steels use argon + 3-5% oxygen. Improves arc stability, easily controlled weld puddle, nice bead, minimizes undercutting. Higher speed welding than pure argon.
Stainless steels use 99-98% argon, 1-2% oxygen. Use 9822 for thinner steels. Use 99-1 for thick steel.
Aluminum use pure argon for the least spatter. Use 65-35 argon-helium, and 75-25 helium-argon when even higher heat input is required.
Higher weld currents need more flow rates. For short circuit typically 10-15 CFH is good. For spray transfer 15-40CFH is typical, helium mixtures may require 40-50 CFH as it's lighter than air.


GTAW (tig) gas & electrodes!
Don't be a douche. Use 100% argon; or a helium mixture for DC & aluminum welding. Don't expect to get much penatration with DCEP, and there is no surface cleaning with DCEN. 15-20CFH with argon. 30-50CFH for helium mixes. If using a large cup (#8+), or a gas-lens the CFH requirement may be half of normal; all things depending. 10-15CFH.

* 2% thoriated (red) for DCEN steels, grinding dust is radioactive, but longest useable life
* 2% ceriated (orange) for DCEN steels and AC welding on inverter units, not radioative.
* 1-1.5-2% lanthanated (black, gold, blue) for DCEN steels. not radioative.
* Pure tungstens (green) for AC welding on transformer units.
* Zirconiated (brown) for AC xray ---- you'll never do.


Stickied. I love useful info.

Toysrme 08-28-2007 02:46 PM

Re: Electrode, Filler & Gas Selections
 
thanks CSaddict :)

racin it welds the same to me, it just melts sooner so it doesn't last *quite* as long as thoriated. I like it alot better on AC tho. To me its a more stable arc. To someone like engloid it probably doesn't make a ---- LoL!

#Rotor 08-31-2007 05:38 PM

Re: Electrode, Filler & Gas Selections
 
so what is the white tip tangsten then?

Toysrme 08-31-2007 07:37 PM

Re: Electrode, Filler & Gas Selections
 
Above is all AWS code.
If, instead of AWS code yall use ISO 6848 in Africa; then white would be .7-.9% Zirconiated. If that's the case then some of them overlap & some of them don't.

Or you could use some other code... IDK man.

BoosTedZSix 08-31-2007 09:03 PM

Re: Electrode, Filler & Gas Selections
 
Good info. I only use red, i have a few orange that came with my machine.

Engloid 09-15-2007 11:47 AM

Re: Electrode, Filler & Gas Selections
 

Originally Posted by Toysrme
GTAW (tig) gas & electrodes!
Don't be a douche. Use 100% argon, or a helium mixture for DCEP & aluminum welding. 15-20CFH with argon. 30-50CFH for helium mixes.

You're not going to get much aluminum welded on DCEP. Do you mean DCEN? If so, you won't get much done with 100% argon. You need helium, or at least a mix of argon and helium.

Racintweek 09-20-2007 08:42 AM

Re: Electrode, Filler & Gas Selections
 

Originally Posted by Engloid
You're not going to get much aluminum welded on DCEP. Do you mean DCEN? If so, you won't get much done with 100% argon. You need helium, or at least a mix of argon and helium.



i dont know about you guys but i weld aluminum on AC. the only thing i uses DC for while welding aluminum is when i am using a tranformer machine and have to ball the tungsten.
if there is a way to weld aluminum on DC- then spill the beans because AC is to damn noisy

Toysrme 09-21-2007 10:07 AM

Re: Electrode, Filler & Gas Selections
 
You can weld it whatever you want.
In big industry doing big tig welds you'd work it DC- to get the maximum amount of heat input. You're just sacraficing the surface cleaning action that DC + provides during DC+ & the DC+ cycle of AC.



E is right, I meant to write that with a semi-colon. As in USE 100% argon; unless you're welding DC.

DSM_Head 10-16-2007 12:27 PM

Re: Electrode, Filler & Gas Selections
 
Thx for the info Toys good post.

jinxy 02-15-2008 11:48 PM

Re: Electrode, Filler & Gas Selections
 
On some miller machines aren't you supposed to use lanthanated for AC?

t_cel_t 02-16-2008 02:35 AM

Re: Electrode, Filler & Gas Selections
 
i was taught to mainly use pure tungston (green ends) when doing AC, it resists those little spikes that form. also it really doesnt matter what tungston you use, like the pure lasts longer on AC but does fine on DC but when you sharpen it it seems to snap off good chunks (like 1/4'') but if you use thoriated (red) then it doesnt snap off when you go to sharpen it.

ninja edit, just buy the cheapest ones O0


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