Budget big brake how to
 

This swap was done on DA integra spindles. This swap is very simple to do if you can get a local machine shop to do the machine work for you and it shouldn't take them longer than an hour to do it.

First find some '96 Accord Wagon calipers or similar and modify the caliper bracket where it mounts to the spindle by shaving the mounting surface down flush with the rest of the bracket. You will be removing about .1" of material. These calipers will be rebuilt after this process.

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Each mounting surface should look like this when finished:

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Here you can see just how much material is being removed:

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Next, pickup some '92-'95 Prelude 11.1" 114x4 rotors and re-drill them for 100x4 to fit the smaller bolt pattern. I chose to line up the existing bolt pattern straight on the table with some .5" dowel pins and then drill the new pattern through the existing holes so as to not add any new holes.

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To do this, you need to use an endmill, a drill will wander and create an improper hole.

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From the center of the rotor you will need to move to 35.355mm in each direction for each new hole.

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Finished product:

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f1...h/DSC07188.jpg

Here is a comparison to my oem crx rotors at 9.5"

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From here on out you will only be able to fit 15" rims or larger:

http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/5553/brake33qs.jpg

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You shouldn't run DA spindles on ED chassis, not unless you have an entire EF front clip to take front/rear crossmembers and LCAs from, as they are designed for a different geometry.

You can get static alignment correct running DA spindles on an ED, but dynamic gets stupid. No big deal for a drag car that doesn't corner, but if you like to sling curves pack it in.

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i though 89 crx's were ef?

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hf

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Running the same setup. I love them except I need to get the DB2 brake booster and master cylinder swapped in. I am running the 89-91 Prelude 15/16" master right now which seems to work fairly well, but the 1" master with the bigger booster should be even better.

I ran the DA front knuckles for a while and I noticed that the car seemed to understeer quite a bit. Granted this was after the B swap, but the fact remains that I didn't understeer that badly until the swap and the DA knuckles. Now I am running the EX front knuckles with the JK traction bars, The DB2 23 mm. front sway bar with poly bushings at the sway bar and the LCAs. I took it out to play a little this weekend and much to my surprise that little bastard bites pretty damn hard under corner exit acceleration. I don't really know whether it is a combination of things or mostly just the corrected geometry with the front knuckles but I likey the results.

Next up is heim joints on the stock 15 mm. bar on the rear.

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You can buy 282mm x 23mm discs in a 4 x 100 If you look hard enough :6

Hint: UK spec, mg zs 180

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for what price though?

i'm about to do that setup, i got the prelude vtec calipers, with a 23t bracket
i think i am still gonna have to grind the braket, or ad a hub-centric spacer for like 3mm

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sweet!

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got mine here:

http://www.importrp.com/home.php?cat=38

Using accord v6 caliper, and VTEC prelude rotors w/ 23t brackets......

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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/282-MM-FRONT-B...QQcmdZViewItem

Not sure on postage tho?

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Nice job arron, I could do that all on my own at work if I needed the brake upgrade I guess

never really been scared with what Ive got though

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slotted/cross drilled roter on a crx works good enuff to run down to 0 from 200

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that's a great how-too man. not enough people look at the other aspects of going fast.



drilled rotors are only for moron asshats.

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EFs come stock with B16s, and a D series would require a mount kit that no one makes to bolt into an EF. USDM cars are all EDs unless you have a HT corncob shoved up your ass and think v-tech is more important than boost.

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my bad. i'm not up to snuff on all the chassis codes and never really paid much attention to them.

i've been running the integra spindles in the crx for almost 8 years now and i've done quite a bit of autox and some track days with no real concerns with handling. actually i get oversteer on occassion. the car rotates really nice when it needs to. i've taken the front sway bar out and am just running the stock rear. i'm also running tokico single adjustables with ground control coilovers 350lb fronts and 400lb rear springs. it isn't the most comfortable ride on bumpy streets. :P

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You should put the hf front sway bar, anything that is bigger will give you under steer.

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10.4 teg rotors
type r calipers
centering rings

all on the stock civic hub
DONE

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How exactly?

The bolt spacing on the caliper brackets that I have, which supposedly came from an ITR, did not line up at all.

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itr and ctr..

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???

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I think he meant CTR not ITR, though I don't know what the differences are in the calipers.

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Uhm, I'm sorry... that rant was aimed in the direction of HT, not you. You're a master-class fabricator with his hand in more than Honduhs and his eye on different horizons. I don't expect you to digest all thechassis code minutae even if you do own a CRX.

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You must shave the middle a tad where the caliper touches the rotor...

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1 90 auto abs ls integra booster and master, ceramic pads and drilled rotors. couldnt ask for any more

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so the bolt spacing of the bracket to the spindle is the same for 92-95 civics and accords and tegs and everything? (doing LS brakes but need to know brackets on front)

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Any idea if this will work on an EG chassis. what spindles could I use on the 92-95 si.

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Are LS brakes not the same size as your standard EG brakes?

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Yes, but this forum is populated by 99% Americans, and we didn't get EGs so we have to upgrade.

90-91 EX got the Integra 10.3" brakes up front, and I'd guess some of the 92-95 EHs did as well but most of those got the usual 9.5" fronts.

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92-95 Civic's WITH ABS = 10.3"
94-01 Integra's = 10.3"
95-97 del Sol VTEC w/ABS = 10.3"

all have the same part number for the knuckles, and are perfect for this setup

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im sorry JD, did you just read a huge chassis code guide or something? let me rephrase that... will the brackets from a 90-93 LS integra fit on the knuckle/spindle of a 92-95 civic hatch back DX.

im doing the 90-93 Teg LS rear disk brake swap at the same time. (we don't have any good cars in the yards in michigan)

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no... you need the bigger knuckles...

JD has chassis code and Honda-Tech issues...

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Ah I see. well to clear things up I have an EJ1 if it makes any difference. I'm not sure what would work good for me but I know I have to do something because my front rotors are tiny. so far the only mods I did was the integra rear disk brakes, 40/40 prop valve. felt kind of soft because I used the civic master cylinder so this summer I'm upgrading to the integra brake booster and master cylinder.

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Xgen, you are in the same boat at me.... im tryin to figure out what i need for the fronts...

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92-95 without abs ont he ex's too. i havn't measured mine, but thats what ive read

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EDIT....

wait your right, different knuckle for non-ABS, but same brakes...

so that would also include:

93-95 2dr Civic EX non-ABS
94-99 Integra RS
94 del Sol VTEC


there was no coupe in 92...

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Hmm... i was thinking abs and non abs knuckls were the same. damn... bracket different on them or what?

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canadian 4 door 92 95 civics are egs

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Correct.

Four door 92-95 Civics are bloated buckets of overweight ----. No one cares about those.

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4dr buckets are lighter than 2dr buckets 8)
EG8 son

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I don't take tech advice from drag queens, sorry.