beaded ends on the pressure pipe? How Important?
 

Im coming close to finishing my project and people are saying to get all my pipes beaded. but the problem is, a) there is no one in my area that can do this and b) I don't have the money to buy the tool to do this myself!

So I am asking if I am only going to run a MAX 9 pounds boost and all clamps will be high grade T-bolt clamps, Do I REALLY need to think about beaded pipe ends right now.

I understand when you get into the 10+ area, this is needed. But for I have, Can it still work, or should I just sit on my project and wait to get the tool to do this?

Please people, I am only days away(seriously) from starting up my Jeep with the turbo in!

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You will probably be fine with just the T-bolts.

A couple other things you can try before beading the ends is hair spray, it really helps stick the coupler to the pipe and prevent it from popping off. You can make also small tack welds around the edge of the pipe which acts the same way as having them rolled.

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thanks for that info about hairspray.

AS for tack welding, the material is thin wall aluminum. and my welder is not set up for aluminum, and I have NEVER welded on aluminum before. BTW I do have alot of leftover scrap aluminum I can practice on?!

Any other great Ideas. But I believe his suggestions are on the the MONEY!

thanks

And if any one wants to take a gander of my project, here is the link. Its on Pirate4x4:
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=658004

I know you all hate links. But its a real PITA to keep a thread going. And I assure you, this is NO KIT. ALL custom FABBED by ME!!

thanks again for the help

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You can hammer the pipes on the inside with something dull and round. Make a few dimples all around the inside of the pipe.

;)

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i welded up a old set of vise grips and made a true hmt tool for beading a little welding and grinding in the right places and it works perfect

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take a metal coat hanger or some filler rod, tack the end then wrap it around the pipe tack it in a few other places and ur set.

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Go find someone with a BeadForm tool. We have one at the shop and its ------- amazing. I bead roll everything I make now for them.

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I would go ahead and get the ends beaded. My first turbo set-up I just used hose clamps and t-clamps. Anything over 15psi , I was blowing charge pipes. I blew a pipe at the LAST IDRC event in Palmdale. I was pissed and told myself never again. Everything gets beaded!

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thanks everyone for these great ideas. One Idea I was thinking was prepping the surface with 80 grit paper, then applying epoxy around the ends.

I could always try the coat hanger idea.

But I will look for someone with a bead tool in my area. Maybe I will get lucky. we will see

Genn4acclude: can you be more specific on your technique. vice grips are cheep for my budget. Im interested

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The easiest way would be to use an adjustable wrench to flare the edges out. My couplers kept blowing off untill I used the wrench to bend the edges out.

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basically for the vice grips you build up weld on one fo the sets of teeth, and than grid it to a point than you grind out the other set of teeth to accept the teeth with the point.....easy....

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cut the head of a rounded bolt then weld to the plyers.

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pic of visegrip general idea
http://www.roadraceengineering.com/e...-pliertool.jpg

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Just grab an adjustable wrench and flair the ends of the pipes. easy, and effective

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ok, I did a test bend on one of my scrap pieces. this it what I came up with:
Attachment 18787

and here is a pic of where I am at:
Attachment 18788

I am going with the first pic of what i will do to my charge pipes

thank you for the insight.

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If you have any problems fitting your coupler over that just lube it up with some dish soap.

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That looks like your going to need a 6 inch long coupler to even seal on that pipe.

I would never consider having something like that, and expecting it to seal. I would just leave them be. I was running 11psi with non beaded pipe, and worm clamps, and I never blew a pipe off.

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Just checked out your build thread... ------- AWESOME!

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I was told the same thing. I will only run MAX 8 pounds. then when the stroker/turbo motor gets built, it will get turned up to 12-14.

I do have T-bolt clamps on order. Whats the worst that can happen? I blow a pipe, then I limp home and do something about it. No big deal. This Jeep is not my DD. Its a pure toy. So I can thrash on it without any worries or cares.

And Bigdaddyvtec,

thanks for looking. Us rockcrawlers like some power as well you know. And don't be surprised if you see that jeep on the street busting up some of the poser DSM's I see here in Barstow!! >:D

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Spray paint the pipe for lube when the paint drys its like glue :y

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Do people actually do stuff this ghetto rigged?

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I painted my IC and the pipes and couplers on it all black, ---- was pretty stuck when I changed the piping :6

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Actually, it makes perfect sense. I might go one step further and grab a can of zinc chromate from work. Its the suff we use when assembling helicopter main Heads and anything that turns. basically, all bolts, nuts, bushings, etc get a coating of zinc chromate. then you install while the coating is still wet. When It dries, it provides a layer of moistere sealent as well it acts like a thread locker/adhesive also.

So if you paint the pipes and install while it is "wet", when it dries, it forms a seal AND acts as a adhesive.

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YES

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Haha kay. Just wondering.

I could try that on a customer, I dont think they would like it too much though. :S

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i guess you missed the url of this site when you joined
HOME MADE TURBO.com
all my ---- is ghetto

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Dude, take some solid 1/16" - 1/8" wire/tube/filler rod and bend it around the IC piping and make a few tacks. Probably cost you less than $10 in materials to do it this way.

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i usually run steel piping so the paint really helps stick to the coupler with a t-bolt. This setup will probably have a bead welded around the alum pipes.

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The only thing more ghetto than that is painting you PVC IC pipe and having the coupler stick.

Yes I did that and yes it works.

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what ------- site are you on? uppity ------

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Any muffler shop can flare the ends of your pipes for next to nothing. Good luck.

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Just a heads up. I ran the jeep yesterday and it ran fine turbo installed. I was averaging 5 pounds of boost but I wouldn't take the engine above 3500RPM. I want to give this turbo some time to settle in.

But the added kick in acceleration is AWSOME!!!

Maybe not much in HP gain, But there is a tremeandous amount of gain in the torque pushing you in the seat. I still gotta few bugs to work out, but all in all, It works flawlessly on its first drive out. I was totally expecting the ECU to cut out at the first sign of boost, But I all worked. NO SERIOUS issues.

So I am in the tuning stage now

And my pipes didn't blow off. All is good

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hey, i know you, you are from devilbrad.com

and i have just ran a bead of weld around the end of the pipe before and ir worked great.

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you do know that hp is calulated from torque, so any torque gain equals hp gain

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update:
I removed the spark plugs to reduce the gap to .028. The detonation is slowly going away. I refilled the tank with premium with lucas oils octane booster. This is what I must do until I get the ignition system with boost referenced retard control installed(ordered).

the performance is beyond my expectations. i just took it for a drive in the calico's on some ruff dirt roads with my 40's and 17" h-2 wheels. the power will still spin those 100 lb tires like nothing(400lb total). This jeep huals some serious ass. And when I can tune it to 8 lbs boost, who knows what can happen.

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If I were having detonation on premium fuel and had to add octane booster I'd turn the distributor back some.. but that's just me.

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take it eassy on that jeep till you get some tuning done...detonation is no good.. :3

But pretty sweet build... and its fairly clean to...

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Looks like it's really coming along, awesome work man. I lay 2 mig beads at the end of my pipes to act as a bead roll. Works great and doesn't take much time at all.

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i just did this on my pipes.
after blowing my charge piping 4 times i decided to do something free instead of getting some tbolt clamps.
so far so good.
shits working great

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I'd just be warry that the flair end might end up cutting the coupler. Then you're back to square one. The vise grips and hammer/punch ideas will work too, but there's one more - button head screws threaded and jb welded in! They will work great and are easy to do.

FYI unbeaded charge pipes saved my motor. Had a huge boost spike when my WG hose tore, and the coupler where hte stock air box was blew the pipe into the hood. I'd thought I really broke something given the force it hit the hood wiht. :1