wide band o2 sensor questions
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wide band o2 sensor questions
I was wondering if anny one has one?Do you leave it in all the time or is it just used for tunning only?Where is the most cost effective(cheap 
) place to get one?How much should I expect to pay?
Sorry to hit you with so manny questions all at once but I'm intrested in getting one.
Thanx
Rafael
) place to get one?How much should I expect to pay?Sorry to hit you with so manny questions all at once but I'm intrested in getting one.
Thanx
Rafael
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Re:wide band o2 sensor questions
i am also interested. from what i hear they are expensive though 
. dumb question, but i know there are some ghetto mcguiver ***** on this board... has anyone bought/made on of these for less than $100 bucks? i doubt it, but hey, you never know.
. dumb question, but i know there are some ghetto mcguiver ***** on this board... has anyone bought/made on of these for less than $100 bucks? i doubt it, but hey, you never know.
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Re:wide band o2 sensor questions
Originally Posted by quickcrx702
i am also interested. from what i hear they are expensive though . dumb question, but i know there are some ghetto mcguiver ***** on this board... has anyone bought/made on of these for less than $100 bucks? i doubt it, but hey, you never know.
. dumb question, but i know there are some ghetto mcguiver ***** on this board... has anyone bought/made on of these for less than $100 bucks? i doubt it, but hey, you never know.but on a turbo car if someone told you you could have 15 or 20 hp for $325 you might do it. I think you could probably rent it out or sell it when you were done for pretty good price.
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Re:wide band o2 sensor questions
I have one in my road race car. It runs full time, and the ECU utilizes the information for closed loop operation. It doesn't hurt it to run it full time, but they do wear out eventually, just like any O2 sensor.
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Re:wide band o2 sensor questions
i don't know if this is the same thing you are looking for but here you go.
http://atpturbo.bigstep.com/category...3720%7C1254422
http://atpturbo.bigstep.com/category...3720%7C1254422
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Re:wide band o2 sensor questions
from what i read wide band O2's have a heater circuit built into them and if you dont run it while the engine is on u will burn out wideband O2 sensor. so if u dont want to use it you would have to take the sensor out the pipe. some wideband setups have a 0v-1v output so you can use it to control the ecu and also has the 0v-5v output for the wideband display. orginal wideband setups used honda's $150-$200 wideband sensor but now people have come out with better setups using $35 wideband sensors out of newer cars. Check out www.wbo2.com they have wideband setups ranging from $380(prebuilt) or $160(diy built) so if ur ultra skilled at soldering electronics $160 for a complete wideband setup is not bad. When you look at the prices realize this company is out of austriala and $1(AU)=$0.67(USA) so what ever price you look at times it by 0.67 and you can find the USA price. After i do some more electronic soldering ill probably pop for the diy model so i can save more than $300. If you have any questions ask because i think i got this unit figured out now.
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Re:wide band o2 sensor questions
http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/
It uses a very cheap(as in price not quality) Bosch sensor.
This unit is a bit bulky but it's packed with features, and can drive any A/F gauge for display purposes.
SL
It uses a very cheap(as in price not quality) Bosch sensor.
This unit is a bit bulky but it's packed with features, and can drive any A/F gauge for display purposes.
SL
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Re:wide band o2 sensor questions
Kirasir,
Thats simply awesome. I think I'm going to paste their press release because it has more info on all the functions than it does on the order page.... Anyways I believe this might be my next step, I may also have to invest intoa SAFC or an emange now that I could simply tune this myself...... awesome find simply awesome.
I'm curious what is the analog cable for?
Contact: Patrick Thompson
Innovate! Technology, Inc.
949.388.4442, xt. 123
Patrick@innovate-tech.com
Innovate Technology Releases LM-1
Affordably priced, the LM-1 is the first fully-digital air/fuel ratio meter for the professional and the enthusiast alike.
SAN JUAN CAPISTRANO, CA, June 2, 2003– Innovate Technology, INC. today announced the release of the LM-1, the world’s first fully-digital air/fuel ratio meter. In a major advance for engine tuners, the LM-1 enables precise measurement of exhaust air/fuel ratio (AFR) at an affordable price. The meter’s digital signal processing technology provides data on exactly how rich or lean an engine is running at any load. The LM-1’s self-calibrating circuitry also compensates for changes in temperature, altitude, and sensor condition.
Tuning an engine for maximum power previously required long trial-and-error sessions on a dynamometer. With the LM-1, precise AFR measurement allows the user to correctly adjust many variables- including carburetor jetting, fuel injection, turbo fuel curves, etc.- without long and expensive dyno sessions.
Another key feature of the LM-1 is its ability to capture and log up to 44 minutes of AFR data, 12 times per second, in multiple sessions. This data can be quickly downloaded into a PC via the included serial cable, viewed, and analyzed via the included software or any standard ------sheet program. And with the available auxiliary-input cable, the user can capture and log up to five additional inputs (RPM, MAF, MAP, TPI, etc.). Thus the LM-1 can serve as a completely integrated engine tuning workshop.
“We often see people make expensive modifications to their engines, only to lose horsepower after installation,” says Klaus Allmendinger, Innovate’s VP of Engineering. “The key to tuning is accurate measurement of results, and the key to accurate measurement is the LM-1.”
Competing air-fuel-ratio meters vary widely in their precision, price and portability. The best ones are in the $3-$5,000 range, are designed as lab-grade instruments for big operations, and require careful and regular calibration. They are, however, no more accurate than the LM-1. In fact, because of calibration problems, in many cases expensive analog meters are less precise than the LM-1’s 0.01? accuracy specification.
On the other end of the spectrum, low-cost analog AFR meters in the sub-$500 range typically use a standard, narrow-band oxygen sensor and are therefore only able to tell whether the fueling is rich or lean but not by how much. These types of meters are therefore of limited value for engine tuning.
“There’s a lot of technology packed into this device,” states Patrick Thompson, Innovate’s President, “but we’ve made every effort to keep the price as low as possible to make it affordable for everyone. Now your average enthusiast can measure, analyze, and tune as precisely as a big racing team.”
The standard LM-1 includes a Bosch wide-band oxygen sensor and cable, cigarette-lighter adapter, serial cable for PC connection, 9V battery, exhaust bung and plug, CD and manual. Available accessories include auxiliary input cables, alligator-clip power cable, exhaust clamp, and analog output cable. Additional accessories include an RPM converter/AuxBox, dash-mountable display and AC adapter. The LM-1 ships with a Bosch sensor, however, it can also function with other wide-band sensors, including Honda/NTK and VW sensors.
The LM-1 sells for a retail price of $349. Contact Innovate Technologies at (949) 388-4442 or visit www.tuneyourengine.com for more information. Dealer inquiries welcome.
Thats simply awesome. I think I'm going to paste their press release because it has more info on all the functions than it does on the order page.... Anyways I believe this might be my next step, I may also have to invest intoa SAFC or an emange now that I could simply tune this myself...... awesome find simply awesome.
I'm curious what is the analog cable for?
Contact: Patrick Thompson
Innovate! Technology, Inc.
949.388.4442, xt. 123
Patrick@innovate-tech.com
Innovate Technology Releases LM-1
Affordably priced, the LM-1 is the first fully-digital air/fuel ratio meter for the professional and the enthusiast alike.
SAN JUAN CAPISTRANO, CA, June 2, 2003– Innovate Technology, INC. today announced the release of the LM-1, the world’s first fully-digital air/fuel ratio meter. In a major advance for engine tuners, the LM-1 enables precise measurement of exhaust air/fuel ratio (AFR) at an affordable price. The meter’s digital signal processing technology provides data on exactly how rich or lean an engine is running at any load. The LM-1’s self-calibrating circuitry also compensates for changes in temperature, altitude, and sensor condition.
Tuning an engine for maximum power previously required long trial-and-error sessions on a dynamometer. With the LM-1, precise AFR measurement allows the user to correctly adjust many variables- including carburetor jetting, fuel injection, turbo fuel curves, etc.- without long and expensive dyno sessions.
Another key feature of the LM-1 is its ability to capture and log up to 44 minutes of AFR data, 12 times per second, in multiple sessions. This data can be quickly downloaded into a PC via the included serial cable, viewed, and analyzed via the included software or any standard ------sheet program. And with the available auxiliary-input cable, the user can capture and log up to five additional inputs (RPM, MAF, MAP, TPI, etc.). Thus the LM-1 can serve as a completely integrated engine tuning workshop.
“We often see people make expensive modifications to their engines, only to lose horsepower after installation,” says Klaus Allmendinger, Innovate’s VP of Engineering. “The key to tuning is accurate measurement of results, and the key to accurate measurement is the LM-1.”
Competing air-fuel-ratio meters vary widely in their precision, price and portability. The best ones are in the $3-$5,000 range, are designed as lab-grade instruments for big operations, and require careful and regular calibration. They are, however, no more accurate than the LM-1. In fact, because of calibration problems, in many cases expensive analog meters are less precise than the LM-1’s 0.01? accuracy specification.
On the other end of the spectrum, low-cost analog AFR meters in the sub-$500 range typically use a standard, narrow-band oxygen sensor and are therefore only able to tell whether the fueling is rich or lean but not by how much. These types of meters are therefore of limited value for engine tuning.
“There’s a lot of technology packed into this device,” states Patrick Thompson, Innovate’s President, “but we’ve made every effort to keep the price as low as possible to make it affordable for everyone. Now your average enthusiast can measure, analyze, and tune as precisely as a big racing team.”
The standard LM-1 includes a Bosch wide-band oxygen sensor and cable, cigarette-lighter adapter, serial cable for PC connection, 9V battery, exhaust bung and plug, CD and manual. Available accessories include auxiliary input cables, alligator-clip power cable, exhaust clamp, and analog output cable. Additional accessories include an RPM converter/AuxBox, dash-mountable display and AC adapter. The LM-1 ships with a Bosch sensor, however, it can also function with other wide-band sensors, including Honda/NTK and VW sensors.
The LM-1 sells for a retail price of $349. Contact Innovate Technologies at (949) 388-4442 or visit www.tuneyourengine.com for more information. Dealer inquiries welcome.
