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89shithatch 02-29-2008 02:38 AM

Re: what is happening when running lean (not a noob question)
 

Originally Posted by t_cel_t
you cut fuel every time you let off the throttle

wrong. it isnt cut 100 percent. think about it, at idle, you engine is still delivered fuel.

t_cel_t 02-29-2008 03:20 AM

Re: what is happening when running lean (not a noob question)
 

Originally Posted by 89shithatch
wrong. it isnt cut 100 percent. think about it, at idle, you engine is still delivered fuel.

yeah but think about when your rolling down the road, the weight of the car keeps the engine turning.
my reasoning for this is the engine has no difference in sound or feel when i am coasting and then turn the key off and back on.

leed 02-29-2008 03:20 AM

Re: what is happening when running lean (not a noob question)
 
In a OBD0 and 1 Honda, all fuel is cut during decel conditions. You guys are over complicating this.

Slo_crx1 03-01-2008 11:08 AM

Re: what is happening when running lean (not a noob question)
 

Originally Posted by leed
In a OBD0 and 1 Honda, all fuel is cut during decel conditions. You guys are over complicating this.

I agree 100% lol. Even my Evo cuts off fuel when I'm decelerating and off the throttle, it's normal so don't even worry about it. The timing get's pulled back so far anyway that for all practical purposes it should be firing on the downstroke anyway. The only time fuel cut is harsh is when it's used as a limiter when rpms are rising at full throttle, such as the "safe guard" that my Evo has for overboost...thank god I can raise that up ;)

0b00st0 03-01-2008 02:27 PM

Re: what is happening when running lean (not a noob question)
 

Originally Posted by t_cel_t
you cut fuel every time you let off the throttle


That had no bearing in this conversation. You are only confusing people.

Like I said before:


Originally Posted by MADMAX
You need fuel to have any form of combustion. Without fuel, you can't have normal combustion, detonation, or pre-ignition.

No fuel, no combustions events, normal or abnormal.



Walter 03-01-2008 04:52 PM

Re: what is happening when running lean (not a noob question)
 
so when engine is in decel conditions, not fuel, not spark even? only turns crank/rod and pistons up&down just w/ little air? or how it works then ? i say with little air cuz the cams are still working, i'd not say there isnt any % air on intake.

Chris Harris 03-02-2008 12:16 AM

Re: what is happening when running lean (not a noob question)
 
yes, the distributor still sparks in decel...

the cams move, the valves open and if you are in gear you are doing what is sometimes called "engine breaking" because with the throttle closed...its hard for that big air pump to suck in air which is why you decelerate faster in gear

89shithatch 03-02-2008 01:35 AM

Re: what is happening when running lean (not a noob question)
 
ehh kind of. real engine braking systems is the jax brakes. they hold the exhaust valves open so that the vehicle cannot spark (diesel) which slows down your wheels dramatically. if you are just in gear the engine bracking effect is much less because you are still igniting fuel.

0b00st0 03-02-2008 01:52 AM

Re: what is happening when running lean (not a noob question)
 

Originally Posted by 89shithatch
ehh kind of. real engine braking systems is the jax brakes. they hold the exhaust valves open so that the vehicle cannot spark (diesel) which slows down your wheels dramatically. if you are just in gear the engine bracking effect is much less because you are still igniting fuel.


Completely false. The reason why the Jacob Brakes work is because when you open the exhaust valve on the compression stroke, the engine is pumping twice as much air. Ie every revolution, instead of every other revolution.



Walter 03-02-2008 09:01 AM

Re: what is happening when running lean (not a noob question)
 
i see , so just spark is working without nothing in cylinders (just spark)? i was wondering for instance when dyno a car, car is decelering, theoretically there isnt should be to have any gas exhaust going out through exhaust, right? because engine just move without nothing in cylinders but i would not say that's right exactly.. or yes?

i always had this doubt but i thought just engine "idle" even when u decelerate, i means there is still fuel,little air with spark...


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