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zer0daze 05-26-2005 07:42 AM

Re: Uberdata or Crome?
 
leed, i have the surging idle with a heat soaked manifold, and i am using uberdata.

unplugged the purge solonoid and it didnt make a lick of difference.
maybe i just need to take a look at the maps again.

but yea, if you dont have a vtp hooked up joo should run uberdata (its why i switch originally)

projekteg 05-26-2005 02:01 PM

Re: Uberdata or Crome?
 

Originally Posted by leed
Wierd dude. With 1.1.6 or whatever was new last week, I get freakin prefect Lambda trace. This is with TPS set to 1%. I do have to change the lambda offset everytime I put all my ---- into someone elses car, but thats to be expected. All in all, I get absolutley no errant readings, bar repeatedly mashing the gas pedal.
Also, I believe you 100% that you got that 1100cc injectored car to cold idle at 13's A/F and low 15's hot, but I for the life of me could not do it. It was either high 11's cold/mid 14's hot or low 13's cold/high 15's and lean misfiring hot. This was on 9:1 CR, not very idle friendly in the 15's A/F like a stock or higher CR engine. My entire idle portion of the map was smooth w/o the standard 2 cels tuned for hot idle only. :-\

With that said, I currently prefer CROME because:
-Flawless integration with Osterich.
-Flawless Lambda trace (And I only used to reserve saying that for my old Hdata 2bd)
-Logging/playback of the MAP, interpolated Ign, and Inj. MS, during a WOT run. Although the Inj. MS seems to be reporting .78 too high trying to fool you into believing those 450's are OMFG maxed out at only 10psi on a a standard HMT'd B16.
-The GUI is purdy, and the hotkeys easy to remember and use.
-Ability to directly enter #'s into the map.
-Multiple MAP sensor support w/ the ability to change the min/max values manualy. By shifting the min/max MAP values uniformly when completing boost-tools, you can get your logged MAP readings to sync with your super high quality Autometer boost/vacuum gauge. Or atleast get your 2bar/3bar to read 1012 dead on at KO.
-Change load scalars w/ the engine running. Ok not a big deal, but when dialing in the idle, having two load columns that sync dead on with both hot/cold starts seems to pay off IMHO. And the fact that you can do it with the car running for speedy idle tuning.
-base mapping features get you much closer to the final tune in the vacuum portion of the map. IMHO of course, I really never used them much in Uber, but the times that I did, the high vacuum side of the map was way off. Also of note, entering 130% eff. when using the boost fueling adjustment is advisable over the standard 120%. In my exp, atleast.

My CROME annoyances:
-No IACV induced high idle when cold like Uber. I ASSume this is due to the fact that my car has no thermo-fast-idle valve thingy. I have noticed the same on other cars with out the FIV as well. I also ASSume this is due to the code diff. in p30 vs P74. JD, please correct me if Im wrong.
-Idle surges when IM is heat soaked. Has been repeatable on several diff. cars. Uber is ------- solid. After reading up on PGMFI following your purge solenoid comment , I have a few things to try out before laying blame on CROME.




Yes I paid for the Pro-Version. If I didnt, I would be using Uber based soley on the fact that you can map trace, and Uber sounds cooler that CROME.


my thoughts exactly :)

d-t 05-31-2005 07:54 PM

Re: Uberdata or Crome?
 
So will I still be fine with Uber though?

I just want something that I can tune with (not me, but tuner) that can be tuned through well.

I would pay the extra 150 bux to purchase Crome but I honestly don't want to travel all the way to PA all the time when I need to tune for the season or when changing something. Plus Xenocron WB street tunes around my area.

Do you think I will be fine with Uberdata on a WB street tune? Eventually I will get it dyno tuned, but can I get it pretty reliable and beat on it on a WB street tune. Xenocron seems to know the tuning game pretty well. It will be daily driven.


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