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A trend I'm seeing that has me concerned...

Old 03-24-2005, 04:22 PM
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I am seeing a lot of threads, questions and inquiries that relate to the DIY Engine Management out there and I need to address a trend with these issues. Some of the elders will chime in here as well and I need them to, to make sure its not just me.

But, I see a LOT of questions about Uberdata, TurboEdit, even Crome from time to time (lately)...coming from new users. Examples..."This doesnt work, how do I do this, well this sucks, I got Uber and now it sucks, I got a Code 6-40 so why cant I tune" ...and on and on.

Realize users, future users, my clients, Kevin's clients, etc that this is DIY. That stands for DO-IT-YOURSELF. Now dont get me wrong, we are all here to help, but do not jump into this game thinking that these COMPLETELY FREE Rom Editors, Datalogging Softwares, chipping kits, RTP boards, etc are easy and plug and play. They WILL require work, they WILL require you to think and learn, there WILL be problems (especially with older cars). Expect that there will be challenges to overcome and obstacles to find your way around.

This software isnt perfect, but it certainly shouldnt be to blame FIRST, when something goes wrong with your car shortly after adding, TE, UD or other DIY Engine Management. Out of all the threads, PMs personal tuning sessions that I have seen first hand lately...90% of the problems were either User Error (#1) or mechanical problems with the cars. The other 10% are legitimate bugs in the softwares or things that have been known issues and are being worked on (for free) as diligently as possible.

With that said...I await your comments (I will have more). I just want EVERYONE who is interested in getting involved (because thats what it requires) with DIY EM, to know what they are getting themselves into.
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Old 03-24-2005, 04:24 PM
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Sticky material. I agree 100% Chris.
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Old 03-24-2005, 04:39 PM
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as far as im concerned, im still new to diy rom editors, but im using turboedit, i have learned a lot and try to learn as much as possible, there are some aspects i dont think i'll ever fully understand, but despite any problems i have while using turboedit, im still very greatfull that it exsists and i have the option to use such a great tool, im also very thankfull that all you guys who are "gurus" at this ---- are around to help me out and give me advise, and even if i made a post that i was having a problem with turboedit, it may come across that im trying to blame the software, but in reality i love the software, im not blaming it, i just dont fully understand it, so i need help with it, i think that may be how a lot of the guys who are new to the diy rom editors feel......let me end with THANK GOD FOR TURBOEDIT!!!!!! oh and thank jason parker a little bit too :P
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Old 03-24-2005, 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by xenocron
I am seeing a lot of threads, questions and inquiries that relate to the DIY Engine Management out there and I need to address a trend with these issues. Some of the elders will chime in here as well and I need them to, to make sure its not just me.
No Chris, it's not just you; this has been bothering me lately as well. To be specific, I want to start throwing spinkicks everytime somebody says something about a 'boost cut'. Yes, this was a problem before. NO, it does not exist anymore. Several people have successfully used this code. If it were a problem in the code, everyone would be having problems.

On the other hand, there may be some legitimate problems in the code. A recent thread on pgmfi brought up something about the 3.0 bar columns not being accurate. As far as I know, this is the first person who has tried the new 3.0 bar bin. So maybe something really is wrong. Or maybe his car has issues. Who knows. We're going to work with him to see what's going on.

I have no problem helping people understand things (ask anyone who's hit me up on im before). In fact, it makes me feel good to know that I helped someone learn something new. But yeah, I wish people would do some research before jumping in and then getting all pissed off when something goes wrong.
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Old 03-24-2005, 09:15 PM
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99% of the problems have with these programs are user error, whether it be with the program itself, burning the chip correctly, or chipping your own ecu. the remaining 1% can be blamed on the programs themselves, but that's the price you pay for paying no price at all :P guranteed, if you search either pgmfi, uber forums, or even the forums here on HMT, you will find the solution to your problems. i've been running uberdata for at least a year and a half personally, and have been chipping ecu's and tuning others cars since this past summer. my point is, it takes a while to learn, you can't just come in and say "i tried uberdata/turoedit/crome/etc. yesterday for the first time and it doesn't work!". if you want to run one of these programs, have someone chip your ecu and burn a basemap if you can't wait to learn it yourself, then learn as you go, that's how i started, as i am definitely not one of the pgmfi pioneers. you're not going to understand fuel maps, timing maps, multipliers, latency, ideal a/f ratio's and how to apply them etc. in a day or even a month more than likely. now that i think about it, i don't even know what the ---- i'm saying or if any of this even pertains to this thread in the first place, but what it boils down to is: read, study, experiment, trouble shoot, and if you still can't find an answer, then post a ------- question.
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Old 03-24-2005, 09:17 PM
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This may be user error to on my part.....not really but you guys still may be able to clear it up. http://uberdata.pgmfi.org/forum/inde...;threadid=2927
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Old 03-24-2005, 09:25 PM
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i have no personal experience with a y8 nor have i EVER heard a clear answer to that question (you're not the only one who wonders). the only way to find out is to experiment with different static timing and check with a timing light. you're ignition is based off of the timing in your maps, so if you have it set at 16 btdc, that's what you'll be running, so if you leave the stock p28 uber timing maps in and check your timing and it's advanced, just keep pulling timing until you hit the marks on your crank pulley and you'll have the real answer to what the y8 timing is set at stock. the only problem there, is if the timing maps have the same slope as the z6/p28, if so, it's simple, pull as much timing on the whole map, as you had to at idle, if not spend a whole day tuning an ign map from scratch (and then share it with everyone else ):P
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Old 03-24-2005, 09:26 PM
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This thread expresses my thoughts perfectly.

I know I come off as an -------, that's just how I come off. However, in a "one-on-one" IM setting (I hate PMs by the way), or something I have no problem helping people with legitamate problems. Let me tell you what is NOT "legitamate" problem.

A problem that A) has already been answered B) is brought to me with the user having NO knowledge of what the hell is going on C) the user hasn't look (by downloading and installing) the LATEST *STABLE* software and the LATEST *STABLE* ROM (always available from the http://www.TurboEDIT.org website) and D) the user has not put 5 minute sof time to sit and think about what they're doing.

Outside of this, I'll help anyone with anything, and ya, I take offense when someone says "TurboEDIT sucks!" or "I just installed TurboEDIT and my car runs like ----!" ..because I, and a lot of others have put time, effort, sleepless nights (ask my girlfriend, she ------- HATES even the slightest mention TurboEDIT) and missed days at work just to code. A small bit of appreication by the users expressed by simply respecting the product, and taking the time to understand your issues would be GREATLY rewarded by the developers.

..just my $0.02.
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Old 03-24-2005, 09:54 PM
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I'll tell you what I like that I see...

I see that Honda-Tech (as a whole) have turned around from a Hondata loving bandwagon to established members referring noobs to the Uber forums! People are reffering the CRX guys to TurboEdit and not ZDYNE anymore...

I see all you guys referring the DIY stuff at the various other forums you post on...this is great!

See the problem that occurs when someone doesnt take the time to do the proper research and immediately pushes the blame on the product and not on themselves (I used to be guilty of this myself so I can relate). This demotivates the programmers, the PGMFI coders, and even the testers. When they arent motivated to make improvements and search out new features, we all lose.

It just so happens that these guys are all VERY motivated in the past few weeks. Let's keep up the motivation by donating $$$ to these guys. Keep it up by thoroughly testing issues and problems and reporting back with details and conscious effort. Addresses are below to where you can send paypal to these fine programmers.

JParker - TurboEdit - [email protected]
Blundar - PGMFI.org - [email protected]
Blake - Uberdata - [email protected]***.net
Synoptic - ECUControl - [email protected]

I will personally be donating to all of these fine gentelmen over $100 total from my website's sales on March 31st. I encourage you all to donate what you can!
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Old 03-24-2005, 10:05 PM
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don't forget john
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