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Old 08-17-2003, 08:45 PM
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Can anyone tell me what a MSD boost timing ignition is?
And what exacly does it do?
Is there a better product
Someone told me I wold need it.
Thought I would ask before I buy one.

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Old 08-18-2003, 02:28 PM
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a msd btm is a msd 6a ignition amplifier with a built timing controller that adjust timing for each pound of boost it sees, you controll the degrees of the retarded timing,with a control **** provided. I think it also have built rev limiter. they also have one that come separate from the ignition it just a timing control box, that you hook to the vacuum, and controlled the way as the btm.
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Old 08-21-2003, 09:40 AM
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damn to the T
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Old 08-21-2003, 06:20 PM
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Why you need to retard timing under boost:

Hard to imagine, but it takes time to burn a cylinder full of fuel and air. If you want the explosion to happen just as the piston travels past top dead center --so that it pushes the piston down just after maximum compression-- you need to fire the spark a little before (called timing advance). The faster the piston is traveling (higher RPM's) the sooner you need to fire the spark so that the explosion happens when you need it.

Your stock ECU takes care of this by knowing when the piston is at TDC and what RPM's your engine is at. It adjusts the spark timing accordingly.

The problem: compressed air/fuel burns faster than regular air/fuel. But your stock ECU doesn't know that you are running boost, so it keeps advancing the spark anyway.

THIS IS VERY BAD If the spark fires while the piston is still on the upswing the full force of the explosion works AGAINST the piston finishing its stroke you not only loose power but put a TREMENDOUS strain on your Piston/Rod/Crank/Cylendar walls. Break/bend any of these parts and your engine is basically toast. (This premature ignition is ofter referred to as "knock" and results in an audible click or ping.)

The Boost Timing Module "tricks" the ECU into waiting before it fires the piston (called retarding timing). This ensures that the full force of the air/fuel explosion occurs after TDC.

Some people don't bother with a BTM. They manually retard the timing by physically rotating the distributor. This changes the ECU's point of reference. It still advances the same amount at the same RPM's, its just starting from later in the stroke. The problem is that this method sacrifices low/no boost performance and efficiency. Also, under some high boost situations the distributor cannot rotate enough to solve the problem.

Should you get a BTM? Well, this forum is called homemadeturbo not ifIhadamillionbucksturbo, so no one is going to fault you if you go ghetto. It depends on how safe and efficient a set up you want and what you can afford.
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Old 08-25-2003, 12:10 PM
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I want it safe, But theres another thing I dont think I can use this, I have Distributorless Ignition I dont think it will work will it? Is there anything that will work with DIS?

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Old 08-25-2003, 12:37 PM
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well larry, what car do you have? with what engine? etc ...
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Old 08-25-2003, 02:15 PM
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It's a truck, 95 s-10 2.2L 4cyl With DIS ignition

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Old 08-26-2003, 12:59 PM
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Does anyone know if The MSD btm will work on DIS?

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Old 08-26-2003, 01:05 PM
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no, you need to buy MSD DIS with boost retard option.

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Old 08-26-2003, 01:43 PM
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Is there such a product? I'll call MSD and check
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