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Old 07-29-2008, 05:22 PM
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Old 07-29-2008, 07:53 PM
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Dose the db9 to usb converter do something to the signal.
Yes it converts it
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I was thinking its just a loop going to the lc-1 an input and an output . It should all be digital signal.
wrong a db9 is a connector for serial communications. A usb cable uses USB communications. Go to mexico and try to talk to some random uneducated dude in English and expect him to understand you cause you're both people even though he speaks spanish.

Companies still use serial because it was very easy to send communications through a UART port to a max232 chip or something like that. The way I understood my programers explaination, USB was pretty involved with alot more code writing for it to function through other ports. Now companies like FTDI make UART to USB converters so code writing still sends communications to the UART port like serial, and it gets converted via the FTDI chip to USB instead of using a 232 to convert to Serial. So you see companies starting to use USB like the Ostrich but the LC-1 is still lagging behind.

If half of that is correct I'd be impressed but at any rate usb-serial converters are translating from a slower serial type of communication to a much faster USB communication. It's not going to be very fast or perfect any way you cut it.
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Old 07-30-2008, 02:13 AM
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Originally Posted by fuse
Dose the db9 to usb converter do something to the signal.
Bingo!

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It should all be digital signal.
Wrongo!

Look up RS-232 protocol vs USB. USB is +5V or 0V, RS-232 is +18-3V or -18-3V, and that doesn't even address handshaking.
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Old 07-31-2008, 10:34 PM
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Wrongo!

Look up RS-232 protocol vs USB. USB is +5V or 0V, RS-232 is +18-3V or -18-3V, and that doesn't even address handshaking.
Ok that makes it a full picture. I see know.........................I still hate my db9 to usb converter.


Can I use any thing else to convert it with out using a usb. Has anyone had success with a USB converter?? If so what brand??

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Sorry about all this I just want to reprogram my lc-1 I have tried every software version and tried all kinds of thing (waiting 20 min after reprogramming as a example) I am sure it my usb converter. I have contacted innovate several times and thy have helped me a lot but thy are thinking the same thing usb converter. I have even purchased the usb converter thy recommended with no luck.


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Old 08-01-2008, 01:25 AM
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The rat shack one worked for me. IT is pretty solid, but the serial connection is the best way to go.

http://www.radioshack.com/sm-6-ft-us...i-2036258.html

You could always get a serial PCMCIA adapter...
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Old 08-01-2008, 11:18 AM
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I had a problem programming my outputs when i first got it, but im not sure if i had the same problem. When i would try to program, it wouldn't do anything and then i would turn my car to the on position and the lc-1 would reset and recalibrate. I read a lot of different ---- that people said could be wrong. I ended up fixing it by switching to an older version of lm-programmer and firmware. I think it is the old version of LM-programmer that fixed it though (the old firmware sucks ***, it takes forever to warm-up).

I know that you said that you tried different versions of the software, but make sure that they are the version you think. I say this because i downloaded a version that said it was 3.15 and when i installed it the installer said it was 3.18. It wasn't untill about the 10th download that i actually found 3.15

Oh by the way im using a cheap *** RS-232 to USB converter and it works fine, my guess that isnt your problem.
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I use the rat shack usb to db9 converter for my lc-1 and it works fine...now. I found that most laptops (especially HP's and Compaq's) have a usb setting in XP that will turn the usb port off if the current draw drops below a set level. You have to go into control panel/system/hardware/device manager and go to the usb root hub and right click. Click on properties and then on Power Management and uncheck the button that says "allow the computer to turn off this device to save power". I've had no problems ever since I did this.
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Old 09-03-2008, 01:17 PM
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I use the rat shack usb to db9 converter for my lc-1 and it works fine...now. I found that most laptops (especially HP's and Compaq's) have a usb setting in XP that will turn the usb port off if the current draw drops below a set level. You have to go into control panel/system/hardware/device manager and go to the usb root hub and right click. Click on properties and then on Power Management and uncheck the button that says "allow the computer to turn off this device to save power". I've had no problems ever since I did this.
Holy ----!!

Awesome tip.

I will have to try that out on the HP. That battery life on it is much better than on the IBM right now.

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Old 09-03-2008, 09:48 PM
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Holy ----!!

Awesome tip.

I will have to try that out on the HP. That battery life on it is much better than on the IBM right now.

Lol good luck man, took me way too many months and half-assed logs to find out about that. :P
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