Going nucking pucks over ENGINE MANAGEMENT
 

O.k so I am turbo charging a 92 accord . It has a f22a motor. I am planning on changing the motor down the road.. some time after this one gives up the ghost. I have already ordered a cheap complete turbo kit arriving tomorrow. Its a start, figured I could upgrade as I go. But just needed a start. Didn't know about engine management till I started doing a little more research. After reading everything I can get my hands on for a week, I am about to give up. so I am asking for help.

I plan on running minimum amount of boost. 7psi or so, I am only looking for 170-190 hp, maybe even less, a smooth idle and drivable car. pump gas

Would using a missing link and the synapse fpr-fmu work? Do I need to run larger injectors with this setup? Would it even work well or at all?

If someone has a different Idea that could work my limit for a ems is around $300-$800 preferable under the first figure stated. That and know the locations to all junk yards with in 100 miles of here.

Hows this... I don't want to loose hp from stock .....Ive read the threads on this. Now I'm just asking for a little advice. ???

SDS EIC2

http://sdsefi.com/eic.html

horrible idea
you need to get a p06 from a dx civic and chip it with dsm 450cc injectors. anything else is a waste of money time and an engine when ever you blow it up by not having any timing control or proper fuel control

What about the missing link and fpr fmu from synapse? Could I retain the stock computer with that and run larger injectors?

Is it that the stock ecu does not have the right fuel curve for a turbo? That kit you sent me looked interesting but nearly as expensive as a whole ems. 400 or so for the controller and then all the hardware needed. Or am I missing something? The kits run at a little over a $1000

listen you do not use bigger injectors with an fmu. fmus suck balls. the stock ecu will not compinsate for boost. chip a p06 ($125) and buy some dsm 450cc ($55). with the chipped ecu and dsm 450s you now have a full stamdalone fuel system with upgraded injectors for less than $200 so dont even think about anything else that added injectors ---- is stupid and way out dated especially for hondas

Ok,any special place I might Send out to get it chipped or just any one I can find and talk to. Now I am getting lazy on this one but do you know what cars had a p06 ecu and another that had dsm 450 injectors? So I can go junk yard hopping after monday, memorial day.

i dont know why im going to spoon feed you this information but here it is in plain and simple
1. p06 from a 92-95 civic dx
2. xenocron will chip it for you goto his website Xenocron Tuning: Fuel Management and DIY Tuning Resource Center for Honda and Acura Performance - Hondata, eCtune, Neptune, Crome, TurboEdit, Uberdata
3. dsm 450cc injectors are from a turbo eclipse with a manual transmission

Thanks, I will get ahold of xencron here. They look better then people I found on ebay. I'll post back when I get this complete.

i told the synapse guy at PRI that the missing link was outdated and he did the puppy dog head turn like he was confused. it was hilarious. i wonder if he thought i was wrong, or just didnt understand english too well. he was asian and i had a hard time understanding him.

http://www.thefourpawsresort.com/Confused_dog.jpg

well you can spend 160 on a missing link and fmu or you can send your ecu to be chipped for 75 and have control of timing and other misc things like a 2step and rev limiter

Wrong page.

Alright, I have ordered and payed for a chipped po6 equivalent ecu with 2 base maps and a data logging kit off -------------. $223

Now I just need to find some injectors.

Ok turbo and intercooler is here along with all the hardware, down pipe is on its . I have a chipped ecu on its way and dsm 450cc injectors. I have a few questions. Do I still need check valves for the map sensor? Do I need a inline Hi pressure fuel pump and fpr.

Will I be able to tune with the data logging kit?

if you are getting a chipped ecu then you dont need check valves. a wlabro feul pump is a good idea and you dont need the fpr though.

Ok, the turbo is all done, I am getting a exhaust and waste gate piping done on Wednesday. Thanks for all the help guys. The car runs great even though its running right off the turbo. I need to get it tuned. I appreciate it. I will look into the high flow fuel pump.

Next project I have started working on is my 88 iroc z28. Motor build and then twin turbos, Does anyone here know where larger injectors can be found for the 350 tpi? ...Cheap

Oh yeah, does anyone want to see pictures?

Sure

Post the pics! Is your z28 fuel injected?

post pictures of the accord

Sorry
 

Hey sorry guys. I have not taken the pictures yet. I have been doing alot of tinkering around. I put on a msd ignition, blaster 3 coil, msd wires had to redo the oil pan from some guys bad brazing, wrapped the exhaust, and had to unwrap it several times, had to make copper gaskets for the waste gate plumbing, vent the valve cover better so it would stop blowing smoke, I had one plugged off, and I am putting in a whalboro fuel pump and getting the msd wires tuesday.

I did the ignition stuff because I am having a problem under load. It bogs under load, I can not run more then seven pounds or it will really do it. When it gets off load it will accelerate like crazy. even in 5th, it seems like the motor had a huge dead spot, not turbo lag, if you try to lug the car it will just die, spit sputter, buck, Could it be my wires? map sensor? Tune? It seems to run exellent, even under full throttle till the motor comes under heavy load, I think it did this even before I turbo'd it. But now its more present under boost.

So yeah I will get pictures tommorrow. I promise. Also the z28 is fuel injected. Its the tune port injected 350. I keep debating building a forged block to run high boost. Or just a stock block and just blow it up eventuall and replace it. Either way I'm trying to find a 4 bolt main. I have several 2 bolt mains. I think I even have a 4 bolt, but I broke a water pump bolt off in it. then tried to easy out it. And broke it off too. But it came out of a 92 chevy 2500. So I am assuming its 4 bolt main. Plus its rebuilt. It was my friends truck. I bought it for the motor on a earlier camaro project when I was younger, I'm 25 now.

So one other thing. After the whole accord is sorted out. I have heard the blocks and everything can handle 300-400 horse. Just not the heat from boost. Can a water/methanol injection kit be used to boost at or above 12 pounds to prevent detenation and lower temperatures? Maybe 16? The motor needs to be rebuilt or replaced anyways. It has wayyy to many miles on it, Some time with in the next 10 thousand miles, assuming it blows up before that.

what plugs are you running in the accord? also, what gap. there is a good chance thats your problem if the tune is good. the tune could also be your problem though.

the accord engine cant handle much more than 200whp on stock pistons. putting some h beam rods and forged pistons in there would let you get away with just about anything. the sleeves will pose a problem eventually, but considering the questions you are asking, i dont see you maxing them out anytime soon.

I don't know I was just reading somewhere about a n/a accord running over 300+ hp on stock internals. Thats not boosted, so I thought then maybe it was because of the detonation from to much compression with stock internals. I've read the f22a1 can not take over 12psi. So I kinda thought water/methanol injection could surpress detonation allowing more boost to be run to make over 200 hp at 12-16psi. It only has a base map tune. I have not had it tuned yet. I still need to put in the fuel pump before I get it tuned. I was hoping to go this week.

Anyways the plug gap is a little wide. I ment to gap it at 28 and I'm pretty sure I gaped it at 38. I had thought about that this morning. But have not got around to fixing it. But I bought new plugs. Ngk platinum lasers. The ones that are in are just ngk copper plugs. Just what stock calls for in heat range . I keep trying to find colder plugs but the auto parts stores are not helpful.

just ask for the bkr7e's. there realy isnt anything better for a boosted honda. stock plugs gapped to .038" could be your problem, but if its an untuned basemap, i would be leaning more towards that.

detonation is always an issue to be concerned with, but even with no detonation cylinder pressures can break ringlands. i would just see what kind of hp you can get from 10psi on the dyno and call it a day.

pics
 

sorry it took so long. these are pics during assembly. I am running 12 pounds of boost.

Ill get upgraded pics soon. these are old and unfinished

Are you just gonna boost off the wastegate? WG dumptube, or just right there?

this pic is old. the exhaust is all done. ill get new ones today

12 pounds of boost

new pics
 

these are from today. I am now running 14 psi and it runs great on 93 octane. with my other base map. its running rich anyways. I actually found a local tuner. which is amazing. But I accidently cut the tendon to my right middle finger. so I am kinda laid up at the moment.