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I have fucked my car over by installing MSD ignition. Heres how this went down. I installed a catback exhaust system and the whole MSD 9 yards (Cap Coil and 6al box) on the same day. when ------- with that damn O2 sensor I stripped a wire and shorted it. Well obviuosly I didnt realized the ---- was shorted but knew something was wrong. We ran the scanner on it and it said bad O2 sensor and ELD, I dont remember what the code number was. we replaced the o2 sensor, found the short but still got O2 sensor and ELD codes. Basicly My tech works but bounces sometimes, I have no Spedo until like 20-30 minutes of driving later and the best part is I have my own personal Disco show. Everything Electrical strobes, hard. Like my radio cuts off and back on I can hear the MSD box surging, my headlights strobe so hard they are almost blinking out.

Now for my questions. Can I replace an ELD? I know its in the fuse box but if its just as easy as changing the damn Wiring harness then I might be fucked. Will setting the "Disable ELD" feature solve my strobing issues? I know folks are running MSD's i honduh's so I should be able to keep that but I dont have my injectors yet so I cant just throw the chip in.

Cliff Notes: I fucked my car. I hate raves and the one I'm driving has to stop.

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Your ELD wouldnt cause those issues...something is still fucked.

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Now that is an answer that I hadn't thought about. tomorrow I am getting the Alt checked but I dunno, I have never seen anything like this. I am about 99% sure I do not have a short but I ws thinking that I could have some Shitty Solder jobs on the MSD box itself. I re did the wires that connect to the BAttery and it seem'd to strobe less but not really.

Anybody else got any ideas?

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Well I just got my ---- tested and my Alt and Battery are fine so says the Advanced Auto battery tester thing. So I think I am going to pull the 6AL box out of the picture and if that doesn't work I guess I swap the stock Dizzy and coil back in.

Hey Chris, a while back I order an ECU and you hooked it up with a base map on the Chip that had the ELD disabled. I want to throw the Injectors and ECU in it and see what happens before I go searching for Junkyard parts. Only thing is the car is not boosted yet. Will I be ok running your basemap even if I am not boosted?

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Sounds kinda like you may have messed up a ground some where. Check them all.

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Yeah I thought about the ground thing so I went and bought one of those Fat braided jobers and tried different variations...replacing one of the stock ones with the bigger one....FInding a new spot for it...even placing 2 of them on top of each other. I never saw a difference in how hte car acted. I even re-soldered the connections to the Battery terminals and it acted a little different but still surged like a champ.

I am finding ---- on the Intraweb about this and others have had the exact same sysmtoms as I have and it was a bad ELD. Finding a Junkyard around VA that has 97 or 98 Civic's in them is practicly impossible so I am going to try the chip thing I posted and see what happens I guess, I am afraid it will cure the CEL but not the Surge.

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did you check the ECM grounds, or just the battery grounds?

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Well the part I resoldered was teh positive and Negitive wires from the MSD box but when I was ------- with the engine grounds it was the once that run from you Alt to the body and the other ground thats on the Passenger side.

Where can I find the ECM ground?

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the ecu case itself grounds to the body in the holder thing under the kick panel in the passenger floor board the other main ground should be right a the thermostat housing. sounds like you pulled something off while installing the msd like a ground or something double check that you didnt cut something while installing it or unplug anything thing and triple check your grounds,also go back over your msd install make sure everything is hooked up like it sould be... you didnt have this happen till after the msd install right?? so thats where i would start looking.

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I did not have any of these issues till i installed the MSD box.over the weekend I am going to basicly pull out the MSD and re-install it to see if it helps. I am trying to find a junked civic so I can replace the ELD thing anyway but no one really throws away 97's. If anybody sees a 97 Civic parts car anywhere snatch the main fuse box under the hood for me and I'll hook you up.

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Alright well I found a junkyard and found an eld, paid the guy like 20 bucks for both fuse boxes, under dash and under hood cause I wasn't real sure where the actual ELD was. got it home and swaped the eld shown here.
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and I still have a disco show. Im still thrown a CEL same as before and when we scan it, still says ELD. Are there any Honda Techs here who might have access to a manula or something? I need to know how I can test this thing, if its bad I want to take it back or try to get my money. Maybe someone might have a fusebox laying around somewhere that has an ELD in it? This thing is kicking my ass! :S

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Manuals are stickied in the Hybrid/Tech section.

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so you short out the harness THEN you blame it on the msd. wow, congrats on installing elctrical stuff with full battery power! i hope you become the mechanic that works on my car :-*

edit: get a new alternator.

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Hey complex dont be a ------ mm kay. If you tried reading you would see I had the ------- alt check captian cock gobbler. and thanks for your super educated assumption that I installed MSD ingition with battery power still hooked up. Are you ------- serious? really? I shorted a wire on the O2 sensor try to get the plug back into the under body of the car. Not by slpicing into live wires while tryint to install MSD. Do you even know how thats done? Im just wondering why the hell you would assume that? ::) I am not blaming the MSD as in its a piece of ----, I think I might have fucked something up while putting it in.

Edit: if you want to be a wise ass, make sure you read and know what you talking about.

pot shots are stupid

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Why are the new faggots turning this into an alternative of Pollito and the Pussies? :1

First the nogfold, now another crack about PVC :3

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fuckstick i was referring to your o2 installation. shorting your HARNESS and possibly ruining something between the ecu and alt/o2 and not looking for it won't solve the problem.

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does it strobe only when running?

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if i was you id start putting my car back to stock, then checking all wires grounds and start replacing ---- like the ecu and altenator, fuse boxes etc

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it sounded like a voltage regulator or alt shorting out somewhere.

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Im still have a hard time finding out any info on the ELD and what it does but I think it it is sort of like a voltage regulator. The reason I dont want to put it back to stock is cause I know that simply running MSD did not cause this issue. The scanner is throwing the ELD coed along with an O2 sensor code but If you see an ELD code you will also see one of the O2 codes. I did ---- up the wire on the O2 Complex and I have checked it like 3 times after I fixed it but maybe its worth another look.

It strobes while idle sometimes too, but after its warm. If you jump in it first thing it will idle fine then once you take the car over 2k, it strobes. Ass the car warms up after about 15 minutes or so of drivinig, the next time I stop and take the car past 2k it will mellow out. When I had the Alt checked it was strobing at the very moment they were testing and it came out good so.

I dont even know how the hell you would test somthing like the ELD. I want to put a voltmeter to it and see if I have any thing coming our but I cant see how you could get something up into the clip.

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ELD stands for ELECTRONIC LOAD DETECTOR

All it does is tell the ECU how much electrical load is sees in the automobile. The ECU ever so ever so slightly will change how it does its calculations but not enough to cause this strobing of yours if all it has done is failed.

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Im at a loss as to what else it could be. The codes come back as ELD and the Honda Dealer told me thats what it was too. Alt was tested and battery is good.

Should I try swaping out the whole fusebox? I suppose I might try takeing it bakc to stock and see if it changes anything.

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MSD ---- is junk anyways...you would be BETTER off with it not installed entirely.

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Late? Did you ever fix this?

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Na still fucin with it to be honest. I redid all my connections for the MSD. I took the intake mani off and checked the trough that the harness runns through on hte back. Checked and re did my O2 sensor. so Im going ot get another ELD and pop it in to see if I fixed the short. the o2 splice job looked like ---- so I hope thats what caused it. I let you know cause Im trying to get that eld here soon.

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Most of the time... it's not the actual ELD itself is bad when the code flashes for it.

I wouldn't focus so much on the ELD as I would every wire that touches what you were messing with.

You did get a schematic, right?

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well no but only cause the only things I fucked with were the O2 sensor asnd the MSD box. the 2 things that stood out in my mind taht I think caused it were, 1. faulty wiring for O2 sensor and 2. I ran the MSD box for about a day with out cutting those wires on teh side that make it for a 4 banger. I am pretty sure the ELD is bad cause the car surges but ionly after you take it past 2 grand which is right where the ELD is supposed to start doing its job.

To be honest this car is starting to get to me. No one I have talked to has really ever delt with an issue like this, lol and the damn window has fucked up window tracks and a shity window regulator. so the driver side windows goes down once and only once before its off of both tracks and fucked. Finding parts for a 97 is tough.

OK Im done crying now. lol

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I don't ever recall seeing a ground wire that ran from the alternator to the battery. You don't have the charge wire hooked to ground do you? I'm not trying to be a dick either.

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Never answered another question... did you print off pages from the online manual or did you get a manual w/ electrical diagrams?
If not, go print them out now or call Helms & stop being a virgin flailing around in the dark looking for the hole.

I have dealt w/ this issue a few times before. The thing that sucks is ELD code is WAY too random. It basically says, "You got a problem w/ the wiring in your car... LMFAO" Yea... thanks MR. ELD.

Honda is known for shitty window regulators. What's wrong w/ the window tracks? Has the rubber folded over & is dry? You have to spray your tracks every 4 or so months w/ lubricant to keep your windows healthy. If you don't, then the regulator is pushing dirt & dry rubber... it doesn't like that & after a while basically says, "F you" & you get lackluster performance.

Finding new rubber linings for your window is np... go to the dealer. Eleviate your problem, get new rubber, & THEN... only then... can you cry since putting those in = pita. If it will make you feel better, go to a bigger dealership & talk to someone about your window. There has to be @ least one tech who knows what the deal is.

Ok, after reading this... go get to work. It's been too long since you started this... step by step, you'll be alright.

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to be honest I will deal with the window but yall know how it is when things start poping off in clusters, you get frustrated. This car is my bitch and it will remain my bitch fo sure O0. I am begining to wonder if the O2 sensor I wired in is backwards or not or maybe just FuBARd. to answer your question no I did not use a manuel but my boy helped with the install and he claimed to know what the deal was (He's been a tech for honduh for a few years and boosted a few cars before). so thats basicly a No. I am more than likely goin to throw the injectors and the Chipped ECU I have in the car cause the Chip has the ELD by passed. so by my theroy if the car still surges than I am goign to put my money on a BAD O2 sensor as teh root of all this. I have been told multiple time that the ELD will not fluxuate the Air/Fule that much and right now it will fall on its face so hard the car bucks a little when it riches out (is that a word?)

I think I am zeroign in on a Bad o2. I will post on Sat cause thats when I will be swappign it all out so maybe I'll get some good pics too.

thanks for hittin this thread up Pete. I am going to pick me up a Hanyes today as well :-* Its glad to hear that someone else has seen this. so far I have found no one that knows what Im talking about.

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Well I have no idea what to do with this steamy plie of faggot now. I swapped out a known good O2 sensor from my same year car and thought to myself why not drive it around and see if it still tries to run rich like before. Sure enough it ran great. it never richened up at all stayed the same and drive ability was back in my car, i loved it. I then drove back to the house where I swapped in a new ELD and nothing changed. still strobing still sucking at life in general. I am waiting on a scanner so I can be sure its throwing the same ------ code. I dont understand what the hell could be wrong. I suppose I will find another ELD and take out the MSD all together even though thats bullshit. there are only about 6 wires for the MSD and I have checked them rechecked them called MSD so I know its hooked up right and I know there approximately 1 metric ---- ton of EK8's running MSD ignition with no problems.

Bought a new window regulator too but dont feel like touching that ------ car right now.