DIYEFI.org, FreeEMS and the future of TRUE DIY engine management
03-31-2008, 05:01 PM
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DIYEFI.org, FreeEMS and the future of TRUE DIY engine management
Hi,
This thread is here to introduce and discuss DIYEFI.org, a new community with a difference.
I've put this thread here because it's about the site, not about engine management itself. I realise many of you are honda fans, but standalones have their advantages even on a honda where much free stuff is already available.
For those of you who don't know who I am, I've been keeping a close eye on DIY EFI stuff since the late 90's and been involved with MegaSquirt for the last 3 years or so to some degree or other. Many things have come and gone and many things have changed in that time. The time has come for an even bigger change. Those of you who "just use" MegaSquirt and don't get too involved won't really care too much about this site for at least a few more months. On the other hand, if you like to participate and get involved, this site is probably for you.
As a way of testing whether you might be interested, I have assembled some questions here :
If you answered yes to any of those you may want to take a look at my new site, if not, there is no need to bother :-)
The site is totally non-profit. There aren't even any adverts (yet, probably never if I can help it). The designs will be community produced and available for free download just like FireFox and Linux etc. There are no businesses or companies behind it. Just me and a group of like minded individuals who want to make the DIY engine management world a better place for everyone.
If you are wondering why I have gone and put this much time, effort and money into apparently reinventing the wheel, take a look here http://www.diyefi.org/why.htm
If you are wondering who else is involved in the project, or indeed who has made MegaSquirt the runaway success that it has become, please see the appropriate sections of this page http://www.diyefi.org/contributors.htm
If you are wondering about some of the details of the history of Do It Yourself fuel injection, have a read through this partly incomplete history page http://www.diyefi.org/history.htm
If you want to dig straight in then have a of this thread http://www.diyefi.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=90
The code is nothing special just yet, but some of the foundations are there and working flawlessly http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsXPi2KWRAU
It will be some time before it runs an engine, but that doesn't mean you should wait till then to get involved. If you express your opinion in a constructive way now, you will be happier with the end result when it finally arrives.
It was recently suggested to me that I was trying to recruit the type of people that complain a lot :
This is NOT the case. In fact, that is the LAST thing that I want. If you are just going to whinge, whine and complain about the past, please stay away. If on the other hand you have something positive to offer about the future, please sign up!
The forum is here if you would like to join our efforts : http://www.diyefi.org/forum/index.php
However, before joining, I recommend that you have a read of this first http://www.diyefi.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=26
If you want to see some of my work that is more or less completed and you have DSL have a look here http://www.diyefi.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=16
If you are wondering more about me, some would say that one word sums me up nicely
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/i...g/100_7044.jpg
though, I prefer to prefix it with 'car-' ;-)
Thanks for reading, I hope you enjoy what you find :-)
Fred.
This thread is here to introduce and discuss DIYEFI.org, a new community with a difference.
I've put this thread here because it's about the site, not about engine management itself. I realise many of you are honda fans, but standalones have their advantages even on a honda where much free stuff is already available.
For those of you who don't know who I am, I've been keeping a close eye on DIY EFI stuff since the late 90's and been involved with MegaSquirt for the last 3 years or so to some degree or other. Many things have come and gone and many things have changed in that time. The time has come for an even bigger change. Those of you who "just use" MegaSquirt and don't get too involved won't really care too much about this site for at least a few more months. On the other hand, if you like to participate and get involved, this site is probably for you.
As a way of testing whether you might be interested, I have assembled some questions here :
- Do you use GNU/Linux?
- Does engine management interest you?
- Are you a fan of Open Source Software?
- Do you enjoy printing your own boards?
- How about designing your own boards?
- Do you not like closed door development?
- Sick of Lance deleting your posts on msefi.com?
- Sick of waiting for UMS, PWC, MS3, Router board, GPIO or Sequencer?
- Willing to put in the hard work to have the engine management system of your hearts desire?
- Clever with electronics or code and willing to work on an open source project for the greater good and benefit to all?
If you answered yes to any of those you may want to take a look at my new site, if not, there is no need to bother :-)
The site is totally non-profit. There aren't even any adverts (yet, probably never if I can help it). The designs will be community produced and available for free download just like FireFox and Linux etc. There are no businesses or companies behind it. Just me and a group of like minded individuals who want to make the DIY engine management world a better place for everyone.
If you are wondering why I have gone and put this much time, effort and money into apparently reinventing the wheel, take a look here http://www.diyefi.org/why.htm
If you are wondering who else is involved in the project, or indeed who has made MegaSquirt the runaway success that it has become, please see the appropriate sections of this page http://www.diyefi.org/contributors.htm
If you are wondering about some of the details of the history of Do It Yourself fuel injection, have a read through this partly incomplete history page http://www.diyefi.org/history.htm
If you want to dig straight in then have a of this thread http://www.diyefi.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=90
The code is nothing special just yet, but some of the foundations are there and working flawlessly http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsXPi2KWRAU
It will be some time before it runs an engine, but that doesn't mean you should wait till then to get involved. If you express your opinion in a constructive way now, you will be happier with the end result when it finally arrives.
It was recently suggested to me that I was trying to recruit the type of people that complain a lot :
Originally Posted by Anon
If the recruitment drive is for disenfranchised MS people as it seems to be, you're going to end up with a bunch of B&G gripers and generally negative people more than likely.
The forum is here if you would like to join our efforts : http://www.diyefi.org/forum/index.php
However, before joining, I recommend that you have a read of this first http://www.diyefi.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=26
If you want to see some of my work that is more or less completed and you have DSL have a look here http://www.diyefi.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=16
If you are wondering more about me, some would say that one word sums me up nicely
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/i...g/100_7044.jpg
though, I prefer to prefix it with 'car-' ;-)
Thanks for reading, I hope you enjoy what you find :-)
Fred.
03-31-2008, 05:09 PM
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Re: DIYEFI.org, FreeEMS and the future of TRUE DIY engine management
looks good, free software is always good when it comes to em. one thing, put it in the engine management section cuz most the gd users dont even look there. i havent even checked out the site but if its free and works well someday ill read up on it.
03-31-2008, 05:28 PM
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Re: DIYEFI.org, FreeEMS and the future of TRUE DIY engine management
Maybe you didn't read the post much either, it will be free, but it is not done yet, its a work in progress, and its coming along nicely :-)
Once it does something useful, I will put a thread up in the EMS section for sure.
Once it does something useful, I will put a thread up in the EMS section for sure.
03-31-2008, 05:38 PM
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Re: DIYEFI.org, FreeEMS and the future of TRUE DIY engine management
no i only read your post but i am interested in engine management im just so easy to confuse with everything. i wish there was some complete newbs to tuning write up for the various programs. maybe you should keep that in mind. but like i said it sounds good, now get it working.
03-31-2008, 06:15 PM
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Re: DIYEFI.org, FreeEMS and the future of TRUE DIY engine management
I think he was singing a line from an old buddy holly song?
Yeah, It is on my mind. I am painfully aware of the behemoth of documentation that is MS. So detailed for noobs that it loses them and the non-noobs. I intend to have a layered approach, but only time will tell if I can do a good job of docs or not.
Fred.
Originally Posted by RotaryGeek
i wish there was some complete newbs to tuning write up for the various programs. maybe you should keep that in mind.
Fred.
04-01-2008, 06:26 PM
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Re: DIYEFI.org, FreeEMS and the future of TRUE DIY engine management
I just wanted to point out that James and Ken are NOT working on my project with me. The original contributors page may have been a little misleading in that regard, I have updated it now to be more clear. My most humble apologies for that misunderstanding.
Fred.
Fred.
04-02-2008, 05:17 PM
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Re: DIYEFI.org, FreeEMS and the future of TRUE DIY engine management
Ken has been posting this around the place, so I thought I would put it here for him, as he appears to have missed this one.
And my response :
Thanks for all the great work you guys have done Ken. It is sincerely appreciated by all of us, and I am certain of that! You and James particularly are an inspiration to us all.
I thought I had finally made it clear that neither James or yourself were involved with this :
However, thank you for confirming that in writing.
Kindest regards (regardless of what any of you think of me),
Fred.
This is Ken from the msextra forum.
James Murray, Phil Ringwood, and I (along with Bruce and Al of course) are the main developers of ms1/extra and ms2/extra (along with tons of other people, at least on the ms1/extra side).
We are in no way associated with Fred's project, and are hard at work trying to make ms2/extra (and our next generation stuff) better.
Ken
James Murray, Phil Ringwood, and I (along with Bruce and Al of course) are the main developers of ms1/extra and ms2/extra (along with tons of other people, at least on the ms1/extra side).
We are in no way associated with Fred's project, and are hard at work trying to make ms2/extra (and our next generation stuff) better.
Ken
Thanks for all the great work you guys have done Ken. It is sincerely appreciated by all of us, and I am certain of that! You and James particularly are an inspiration to us all.
I thought I had finally made it clear that neither James or yourself were involved with this :
I just wanted to point out that James and Ken are NOT working on my project with me. The original contributors page may have been a little misleading in that regard, I have updated it now to be more clear. My most humble apologies for that misunderstanding.
Kindest regards (regardless of what any of you think of me),
Fred.
04-02-2008, 05:37 PM
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Re: DIYEFI.org, FreeEMS and the future of TRUE DIY engine management
What's with the Linux only stuff?
I didn't read your whole post (tired, at work, and lazy), but I noticed that. I wouldn't mind porting it to Windows (why only linux
) but I'm not sure I could devote much time for no monetary return :P I'm great with code although I haven't touched it in years, porting shouldn't be too difficult because most code would remain the same except for obviously the GUI and interfacing with the ECU. I'm sure if it's open source someone would pick it up though.
I dualboot windows/linux but most people don't and you would be cutting out a large number of potential users/contributors by only offering a linux version.
I didn't read your whole post (tired, at work, and lazy), but I noticed that. I wouldn't mind porting it to Windows (why only linux
) but I'm not sure I could devote much time for no monetary return :P I'm great with code although I haven't touched it in years, porting shouldn't be too difficult because most code would remain the same except for obviously the GUI and interfacing with the ECU. I'm sure if it's open source someone would pick it up though.I dualboot windows/linux but most people don't and you would be cutting out a large number of potential users/contributors by only offering a linux version.
