ShoofIsLudin

has anyone tried the Summit-racing 2 1/16" digital wideband kit. It comes with:
* Controller
* Wideband O2 sensor
* O2 bung
* Wiring harness
* Innovate logging software

http://store.summitracing.com/partde...5&autoview=sku

Just throwing that out there....haven't heard of anyone on here using it. One of my friends from school ordered it for his sr20 240 and said it worked for like a week, then needed to be recalibrated, but then its been fine ever since. That was at least 3-4 months ago.

Oscar

That's an innovate LC-1.

PLX m300 rules.

Emperor

plx = a bit better narrowband :1

its cool when you love those rice bling bling stuff, but far faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar away to be accurate



the full articel
http://www.fordmuscle.com/archives/2...tout/index.php

Oscar

My dyno sheet readings say otherwise. It's pretty ------- accurate.

BoostForLife

Fail, got to have a subscription login to view page 2. That's where the results are.

-SKUM-

X2

Mine was dead on with the dyno's wideband

Emperor

http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/r...B_Shootout.pdf google hates you

BoostForLife

TY, much better. By the way i just bought a brand new Lc-1 kit with DB gauge for 240 shipped.

-SKUM-

Well hot damn! That means that the dyno's wideband was off +1afr too. Because mine was dead **** with it. I think that it could be a bias test. Have some joe run the tests. That would be like honda running aganst all the other jap cars and say that honda tested the best out of all or them.

Tom-Guy

Well, that article is complete horseshit. If I was PLX I'd bitch about the wiring, too. That electrical system is NOT robust, it's a bunch of wires black taped to single 14 gauge wires meant to support >25 amps worth of load. Further, I didn't see a lab-grade power supply pictured or mentioned - and they were expecting lab-grade results? FM has less understanding of electronics than a butt-splice and black tape car stereo installer retard. :1

When you take into account that half of those units have switching power supplies (Innovate does, has a seperate ground wire for it, recommends it's not located very close to the signal ground - for a reason) which cause ground path and voltage fluctuations that run all over the units with linear power supplies.

I have never seen an accurate AEM unit, they are the ones that are +/- 1 AFR. Tony Palo has posted the same on HT, as have others. They are joke meters.

The unit I use most frequently is a PLX. It is repeatable, and fairly accurate. As for it's calibration? My particular unit agrees with an NGK AFX (which Tony Palo also praises - he uses one frequently) and an Innovate LM-1 that are equipped on Aaron Lail's dyno (Aaron tuned Donovan's Stratus that, last I hear, came within 0.003 seconds of the track record at Rockingham)... the AEM unit that was hooked up that day was the unit that was a whole point off. My PLX also agrees with both BRMS' PLXs, and a friend's LC-1. Do I recommend them to anyone? No, not really. It's just every other wideband I've owned (9+) took a big fat fiery dump while the PLX keeps on running - it's been running for almost four years now. It does have issues with response time, and is very sensitive to ground locations, although it is a dead nuts simple readout. I've tuned cars that have been on television, and been together for years, off of my PLX unit. Meh.

I semi-hate Innovate products. Despite what FM had to say, the wiring instructions are NOT overly complex (shows you FM's level of understanding). Klaus @ Innovate knows his ----, and it shows in his product. Everything about Klaus shows in their product... crotchety, nit-picky, talk about a unit you have to jump through hoops and continuously remove to redo the calibration. They work great when they work - the rest of the time you are recalibrating it. Again.

Now, you can choose to listen to magazines whose content is for sale to anyone buying advertising, or you can listen to an anti-social ------- who's burnt a lot of bridges in the aftermarket by telling off ******* who perpetrate bad tech in order to sell parts. Only one entity is shooting from the hip - the other is shooting for your wallet.