15+ PSI on OBDO System. What program to Tune with? SAFC II w/ 550's?
 

Im in the process of building the ---- out of my D16A6 right now. I want to boost it retaining the stock OBDO so if there is any comapny that allows me to do this please enlighten me. I would LOVEEEEEEE to be able to use the Safc II, would that be possible on 550cc injectors

Mods-

Head-
Milled .040
Ferrerea retainers
Dual Titanium valve springs
1mm oversized valves
Delta 272 Cam
AEM adjustable cam gear
3 angle valve job
Mild port n polish

Block-
Suzuki Grand vitara pistons
Eagle rods
stock bore
balanced and micropolished crank

How much bost do you guys think this motor is capable of?

I built this motor on a budget of $1200 and am very happy on the qulaity and quantity of the work I got done. But now I want to boost is but I also need it to be daily driven.

I want to retain the OBD0, but I also want to push 15+ psi daily which cant be done with the S-AFC I was planning on using.

Could you guys give me some ideas on what type of managment I should use? I will not be doing the tuning myself, will have to bring it to a dyno shop.

I will have a laptop if that matters, the cheaper the better, but I dont think most dyno shops know how to use turboedti and ---- like that. Just Hondata, which I believe only runs on OBD1?

Also wouldnt mind being able to switch from like a daily driven 10psi tune and somehow switch to a track tune of 17psi or whatever. I know the SAFC II allows this

Thanks for any help

Re:15+ PSI on OBDO System. What program to Tune with? SAFC II w/ 550's?
 

ZDYNE is the only other OBD0 engine management that I know.

If you were tuning it yourself I would say TurboEdit, but you're not...

ZDYNE isnt cheap though...

Re:15+ PSI on OBDO System. What program to Tune with? SAFC II w/ 550's?
 

As far as Dyno people being able to tune it..

If they can tune Zdyne, they can tune TurboEDIT, as OBD0 uses the name numeric across the board: Milliseconds for fuel, and Degress before top dead center for igntiion.

Re:15+ PSI on OBDO System. What program to Tune with? SAFC II w/ 550's?
 

How is Zdyne run? Is it a standalone or is your ecu chipped?

Can it be changed on the fly with a laptop?

Ive heard of people going to 12psi with 440's so if I go with 550's and just hack the shitty idle, I would be able to use the SAFC II right?

I would be able to have a setting for street and a setting for track and the 550's wouldnt be maxed out on only 15-17psi

EDIT- I would also have a gm 3 bar map sensor, right.......

Re:15+ PSI on OBDO System. What program to Tune with? SAFC II w/ 550's?
 

zdyne gold is theone u can tune on the fly; but it's spendy unless you're lucky. the silver is a tune-burn-install chip type thing.
Zdyne basically hacked up the stock obd0 computer and added their own stuff.

and 450dsm injectors are good for about 300hp. you probably won't hit near that with a built a6 only pusshing 12 or whatever psi; even from a pretty beefy turbo.

and whatever you do dont ------- install that piece of ---- afc hack.... you're ignition will be rediculously advanced and you will ---- something up

Re:15+ PSI on OBDO System. What program to Tune with? SAFC II w/ 550's?
 

I ran 17psi on my Y8 with 450's, 3 degrees retard, and the afc hack. I don't know how, and I wouldn't suggest it, but i did. :-\

The biggest regret I have about the whole project is not kidnapping Jason Parker and forcing him to tune my ish. Or maybe it's not being able to figure out what I was doing with TE, I can't figure out which. ;)

Re:15+ PSI on OBDO System. What program to Tune with? SAFC II w/ 550's?
 

JLT you dont think I will easily hit 300whp with this motor and a prescision turbo?

Ive seen quite a few 300whp d16y8's on turbod16.com with a ---- load less and 2 not even touching there head. I think it would be prettyeasy with my motor to get 300

Also, why wouldnt the S-afc II be any good? With 550's I would still be able to have the AFC set at 37 or whatever but because I have 550's..... I dunno Im new

I just dont have the $800 for a standalone, not do I have the knowledge or tuners available in my area to tune me on a Hondata or Zdyne

SafcII seems dam ass easy and with a air fuel gauge or a wide band or however its done, I could tune a setting for both daily driven and track with it.

Seems all realistic to me, what am I missing

Re:15+ PSI on OBDO System. What program to Tune with? SAFC II w/ 550's?
 

You're missing the willingness to be patient, teach yourself and ------- DO IT YOURSELF.

Tuning cars is not rocket science. If you paid attention in chemistry and physics classes, the theory should come back to you pretty ------- quick. Otherwise, it's still not that hard.

You have a decision to make. You can wait and save money to pay someone else to think for you OR you can wait, save money, study and teach yourself about tuning and THEN take a vacation with the money you saved. (or go faster.)

Choice is yours.

Re:15+ PSI on OBDO System. What program to Tune with? SAFC II w/ 550's?
 

i agree..but i find it hard soemtimes when you cant get someone to with you some guidance. Im trying to learn TE and how the whole tuning deal works...so far i learned how to do the basemap..i think...now i need to learn what all the numbers and ---- represent.

anyway..i say use TE and save yourself some $$$

Re:15+ PSI on OBDO System. What program to Tune with? SAFC II w/ 550's?
 

AFC + 15psi is not a good idea.

turbo edit is free, just costs the chipping and burning supplies ($150ish) + tuning.

the tuning "scope" for the afc is like 6-8psi.. anymore and u risk detonating due to advanced timing.

you've done everything right so far.. dont get inpatient and run half assed engine management.

Re:15+ PSI on OBDO System. What program to Tune with? SAFC II w/ 550's?
 

word

Re:15+ PSI on OBDO System. What program to Tune with? SAFC II w/ 550's?
 

Yes but to run TurboEdit I have to be OBD1 correct?

So the coversion harness, distributor and ---- will be close to $300, P28 ecu is another $100 +

THEN it moved onto the turbo edit and all its ---- that I would have to somehow learn because like I said there are no shops in my area that have eveen seen more than 2-3 aftermarket turbo'd cars.

Crx-88-Si, your form Brampton, the biggest name I know of in burlington/brmapton/sauga is Spitfire and even they have no experience tuning cars.

See my dilemna?

Re:15+ PSI on OBDO System. What program to Tune with? SAFC II w/ 550's?
 

no, turbo edit is for obd0, uberdata is for obd1. therefore, all you would have to pay for is to get your ecu chipped and a chip burner and take a week or two to learn how to tune dat ----, then take it to a dyno and tune it yourself....

Re:15+ PSI on OBDO System. What program to Tune with? SAFC II w/ 550's?
 

OOOOOOOOOOO TurboEdit, I was think uberdata and turboedit were the same

So I can just get my PG7 chipped eh. How much does that usually run? I have 2 PM6 ecu's but I dont think there the righ year.

Also, I have no idea how you burn the rom or whatever, Is there any reason I would need a laptop for easier tuning?

Once 88_CRX-SI jumps back in Ill be able to decide my route, because as far as I know, Id be completely by myself for tuning (have the net of course, but no actual help)

Re:15+ PSI on OBDO System. What program to Tune with? SAFC II w/ 550's?
 

there are people on here that will chip you r ecu for next ton nonthing, as far as turbo edit, yes, that's the way you wan't to go. someone can ship ypur ecu with a basemap that will more than ghet you by until you can learn how to use te yourself. excuse my tyoping, i'm drumk :P

Re:15+ PSI on OBDO System. What program to Tune with? SAFC II w/ 550's?
 

So how is it done? I get my ecu chipped, so theres a permanent chip in my ecu correct? Then with turboedit, I have to buy some kind of burner for the computer right? with this burner I write some type or prgram on a little chip I buy form radioshack or something? Then install it in my car?

Dont quite get it

Re:15+ PSI on OBDO System. What program to Tune with? SAFC II w/ 550's?
 

open your ecu, desolder a chip, resolder a ZIF socket that lets pull and play your burned rom chips. that's the readers digest version

Re:15+ PSI on OBDO System. What program to Tune with? SAFC II w/ 550's?
 

oh, thats how its done eh

I guess I have a disgusting ammount of reading to do then to see if I can learn it, because I know Im getting absolutely no help in my town

Re:15+ PSI on OBDO System. What program to Tune with? SAFC II w/ 550's?
 

LOL you live in the GTA right? ya we're almost ---- out of luck for people who will tune that for you.

im not sure if a pg7 has a EEPROM.

you'll need a 90-91 pm6.

look on the side of the ecu for a red date stamp. then pop the cover, take a pic of the guts of the ecu and post it up and some1 will tell you 100% if it's chippable or not.

Re:15+ PSI on OBDO System. What program to Tune with? SAFC II w/ 550's?
 

Yup, definetely out of luck. Im on my way tonight to refill my bottle at Spitfire, so Ill ask them if they can or know of any shops in Ontario that are available.

I wouldnt mind to muc about crossing the border and going to NY for a weekend for a good tune. Might cost a hundred more to get tehre and grab some american cash but thats cool

All in the name of h/p

Re:15+ PSI on OBDO System. What program to Tune with? SAFC II w/ 550's?
 

Can I run 15 psi on turboedit???I thought it wasn't possible yet with the new NG48 code...

Re:15+ PSI on OBDO System. What program to Tune with? SAFC II w/ 550's?
 

I am about 12-13psi right now on the stock map sensor...no one that I know of or remember reading about is any higher right now.

There were a few guys trying to use the 3bar maps but I dont know if anyone has had any success yet.

Re:15+ PSI on OBDO System. What program to Tune with? SAFC II w/ 550's?
 

lol so turbo edit is down the shitter now to?

It just isnt worth me building this motor if I cant push is over 12psi

So what am I supposed to do?

BUDGET!@

Re:15+ PSI on OBDO System. What program to Tune with? SAFC II w/ 550's?
 

just wait a lil bit, run 10 psi, and be happy w/ that for a minute... WE have more than "X" dozen tuners working and testing TE, and the best Honda ECU hackers working on making TE/Uber/Chrome more idiot proof... if you go to www.PGMFI.org or the Turboedit FAQ's in this forum and look for info, you learn alot more than just asking 1 question at a time.

as for "TE being down the shitter".... J Parker, Dave B and Xenocron, all have jobs and can't spend every waking minute on making the editor to your liking! like i said... wait a lil bit like everyone else, boost 10psi, or go spent over a $1000 for convienience

Re:15+ PSI on OBDO System. What program to Tune with? SAFC II w/ 550's?
 

I'm just about to go try out the NG26 with 2 bar...or i'll try to import the NG26 2 bar export bin to NG48

Re:15+ PSI on OBDO System. What program to Tune with? SAFC II w/ 550's?
 

Most likely you'll get boost cut Sem...

Re:15+ PSI on OBDO System. What program to Tune with? SAFC II w/ 550's?
 

I am about 12-13psi right now on the stock map sensor...no one that I know of or remember reading about is any higher right now.

There were a few guys trying to use the 3bar maps but I dont know if anyone has had any success yet.
is that with the NG48 code?
thanks Chris for all your help..

Re:15+ PSI on OBDO System. What program to Tune with? SAFC II w/ 550's?
 

hmmmm... :(
I'll have to wait till blundar puts out the 2bar for NG48

Re:15+ PSI on OBDO System. What program to Tune with? SAFC II w/ 550's?
 

He can probably put it together pretty quick...he just needs a good tester. If I could easily find a 2 Bar I would have tested it out for him, but I havent found one (inexpensively at least).

Re:15+ PSI on OBDO System. What program to Tune with? SAFC II w/ 550's?
 

I got one...
but I'm not going to run 2 bar as of yet...
My D15 would suffer...
It's for the ZC i'm putting in later on ... in about a month or 2 , or if the D15 blows before that

Re:15+ PSI on OBDO System. What program to Tune with? SAFC II w/ 550's?
 

It's going to take alot of boost 15psi or more, even with something like a SC50 or SC34 to make 300whp on a D. I've read though all of the Turbod16 dyno charts and only a couple are in the high 200 range. (not including Jan and that other guy running 20+ psi and a 75shot).

Personally I use Zdyne, why? because before all this socketing of ecu's and burning chips nothing was around. So I stepped up and spent the 950 dollars on the ecu. I love it to death and I have no regrets. Making simple changes on your fuel/spark maps and changing config settings and just hitting the upload button (takes about 2 seconds) and everything is done. It makes tuning really easy, several of my friends have turboedit and uberdata. (which are great btw) I think turboedit still doesnt have support for 2/3 bar maps. I could be wrong, I dunno.

Basically it would be stupid to do the AFC hack, when you have editors like uberdata/turboedit out there.

Jeff

Re:15+ PSI on OBDO System. What program to Tune with? SAFC II w/ 550's?
 

But when your new like me, dont have a clue on how to tune, turboedit is no good.

Do you guys have a time estimate on when you might be able to run 3bar map sensors? Im not getting this car on the road until next february

Re:15+ PSI on OBDO System. What program to Tune with? SAFC II w/ 550's?
 

It will surely be done by then