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Old 10-17-2008, 12:29 PM
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If it is NA and needs the timing advanced you run a large injector and take out fuel. Let's understand the system before we deride it.

Few NA cars need timing pulled. B-series always want 30-32 degrees regardless of what you do to them.
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If it is NA and needs the timing advanced you run a large injector and take out fuel. Let's understand the system before we deride it.

Few NA cars need timing pulled. B-series always want 30-32 degrees regardless of what you do to them.
So by installing larger injectors as u mentioned and trimming them to run accordingly, that will yield me more timing advanced on this system?
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Originally Posted by Joseph Davis
If it is NA and needs the timing advanced you run a large injector and take out fuel. Let's understand the system before we deride it.

Few NA cars need timing pulled. B-series always want 30-32 degrees regardless of what you do to them.
you really think you can get an ignition correction to do what you want it to do without absolute control?

i see a NEO being much less frustrating.
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Old 10-17-2008, 01:51 PM
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So by installing larger injectors as u mentioned and trimming them to run accordingly, that will yield me more timing advanced on this system?
Yes, that's why AFC hacks are not recommended for forced induction. You should really read the stickies before you post, you ask better questions and you don't waste everybody's time covering the same material over and over again.

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you really think you can get an ignition correction to do what you want it to do without absolute control?
No, but for dumb ******* who are too stupid or lazy to set their car back to stock ECU/injectors/MAP once a year for OBD2 inspection it's perfect.


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i see a NEO being much less frustrating.
Welcome to your CEL and wierd ---- on a number of OBD2 selections.
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Originally Posted by Joseph Davis
Yes, that's why AFC hacks are not recommended for forced induction. You should really read the stickies before you post, you ask better questions and you don't waste everybody's time covering the same material over and over again.
Thanks for pointing me in the right direction, checking it out now.
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If it were my car I think I would do the AEM FIC.
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If it were my car I think I would do the AEM FIC.
Doing my first in a few weeks...should be interesting.

08 Civic Si, Comptech SC with a 3.0" pulley (9-11 psi?)...
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For a piggyback, you will like it. You have full control of how you want it to go down... fuel and ignition and O2 tables vs RPM/TPS/MAP/etc. You'll need to spend a minute reading the AEMpower forum before you step to the car, though, as fooling some of the OBD2 ECUs is tricksy.

By way of example, Scion tC. Scion tC tune for ~stoich with a factory wideband for part of the WOT event thanks to the drive by wire setup. In a boosted setup you have to spoof the factory wideband input with some current to trick the ECU into injecting enough fuel. The FIC can do this. Interesting ----.
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Originally Posted by Joseph Davis
For a piggyback, you will like it. You have full control of how you want it to go down... fuel and ignition and O2 tables vs RPM/TPS/MAP/etc. You'll need to spend a minute reading the AEMpower forum before you step to the car, though, as fooling some of the OBD2 ECUs is tricksy.

By way of example, Scion tC. Scion tC tune for ~stoich with a factory wideband for part of the WOT event thanks to the drive by wire setup. In a boosted setup you have to spoof the factory wideband input with some current to trick the ECU into injecting enough fuel. The FIC can do this. Interesting ----.
This is why I told him to go with the FIC...

I am hoping and dreading at the same time...he has the Comptech Hyundiata Reflash for the 5-6 psi kit with stock injectors...so I ASSume they have built in boost tables and a proper retard built in. Since we are only upping the boost, changing injectors...I am hoping minimal shizzle will actually need to be "Fooled" with...I just hope HD and Comptech dont have a boost cut built in :1
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