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alright so im going to be buliding my first motor up, and i wanted to know if you guys think it will sing well when its done

completely stock b18a1 right now

this is what i want to do....

JE 9:1 pistons
aem fuel rail
arp head studs
crower rods
unorthadox pulleys
crower high lift cam
fidanza flywheel
probably a skunk 2 intake manifold
aem or skunk 2 adj. cam gears
block filling
safc-2 with wideband 02
RC 1000 injectors
mid size t3 turbo
custom ram horn manifold
3" exhaust from turbo to muffler
stock ignition
ACT clutch

i forgot my list out in the car but i think thats about it, tell me what you guys think cause i dont want to order all the parts for it not to work out right?

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damn, if you are going that far why wuss out on the engine manegement. frmo what i read those afc's are horseshit. uberdata is cheaper and seems better. i am using it and have no problems at all. car runs like stock under boost or vaccume

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i guess your right, maybe cause all ive ever used is afc's, i dunno, but if i have someone burn me a chip for what i have, then i change something in the motor, will i have to send the ecu back in? or would hondata work out better?

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if you have a wideband you can tune it yourself. you can get a chip burner for less than an afc and do all kinds of stuff instead of just controlling fuel and spark

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I can garrentee you that the safc isn't going to work too well at all on your setup. It's hard enough to tune one on a set of 450's and a t25 without popping a cel. On a set of 1000cc injectors you're going to have latency problems out the ass to boot. The afc's only trick the ecu, and there's only so far you can take it. Look into the Uberdata and tune it right.

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+1

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it wont work at all...afc can only do -50 right? so try idling with 500cc injectors

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Yeah...you're right...-50 is the farthest you can go.

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so if i was going with anything over 500 (which i think im going to stick around the 500-800cc range)

would uberdata/turbo edit or hondata be the best way to go

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You don't need all the stuff I've left in there. The flywheel is debatable, but I'd rather spend that money elsewhere. You need a bigger turbo, you probably don't need to fill the block, although you can if you feel 400-500HP isn't good enough. The big injectors are good, but I vaguely recall Precisions being easier to work with when you're running big gun injectors like that.

Read up on your fuel and spark management. Turboedit if it's OBO0, Crome or Crome Pro if it's OBO1, simply because Uber seems to have fallen by the wayside + is less idiot proof.

Other than that, pick the right cams, the right valvetrain, the right turbo and you'll probably be good to go, got a goal powerwise?

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Y on earth do you want rc1000 injectors with a mid sized T3??? Maybe if your turbo was a larger t3/t4 . maybe.

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yeah, i gotta agree 1000's are a bit huge for what it sounds you looking to do, (hopefully you'll have a walbro fuel pump too though) unless your looking to make like 600+whp

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to me uberdata is easier to use. i tried crome once and didnt really like it, but the support for uberdata isnt really there anymore. its like people lost intrest

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The latter point is why I'd go crome over Uber, plus I've heard Uber has some finicky ---- you need to deal with. I'll probably try both this spring on my buddies car, see which one I like more.

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No reason for that fuel rail I don't think. Those things are bullshit.

Definately can't run an AFC on this setup.

Skip the ACT clutch and go with one from LSD Motorsports or something....ACT is hyped up and over priced.

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yea, i guess its all personal preference

i also think fuel raails are kinda silly. only reason i can see using one is to be able to use -an fittings instead of banjo fittings

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what do you mean all the stuff you left in there? who are you?

yeah im not running 1000's anymore, how do you know what size you need? like how to you know if DSM 450's are big enough?

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The pulleys, tiny turbo, and AFC are all worthless.


Factory fuel rail starves the last two cyls by a couple psi of rail pressure. However, people have hit 600 whp on stock rail and lines. How ---- are you?

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All the stuff I left in there, you probably don't need or need to change.

For figuring out how much injector you need, I present you with this...

http://www.longfieldsmotorsports.com...Calculator.exe

Right click, save as, one of my favorite programs.

You still havn't said what kind of power goal you're looking for...

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my total goal is almost any civic tuners goal (atleast from what ive heard) ultimatly i want 275-300 WHP, no not just regular HP, WHP... i know its sort of hard to get but i got a loan so im trying to figure out what i need to obtain that, i keep changing my mind on alot of things

i got my fidanza flywheel yesterday along with my skunk 2 throttle body, JE 9.2:1 .20 over pistons, and thats it for now until i decide what else i need

also trying to figure out what a good turbo to use for this DAILY DRIVER would be, any ideas?

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275-300 whp is a pretty low goal. guys wax that stock block all day

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Then you don't need half of the fancy high-dollar crap you listed.

LOL, no, 300 whp stock block engines are ------- easy. It's the 400 whp built ones that start becoming difficult, as you (meaning I, as a tuner) have to sort out the assembler's errors and start dealing with ignition problems related to stock coil (unless they upgraded the coil... at no time is a stupid MSD box anything you should install, btw)

That's another thing you can sell, this isn't a faggot NA car where a factory TB becomes too small + starts acting as a restriction, forcing you to drop hundreds of dollars to pick up high single digit horsepower gains ::) We are compressing the air so it doesn't take up as much space, and stock TB does not act as a restriction until much much higher power levels than you are shooting for.

Get a T3/T04E. Inexpensive, good spool, good power level when you want more than 300 whp.

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alright, tell me you guys, cause im serious new when it comes to building a complete motor, what do you think i should get to get 300+ HP

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We already have told you.

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"""think my build will turn out alright"""
no it will blow up in 10 seconds :P


for 300 horse i`d stick with a stock motor, or may be just rod and pistons. then use a t3/04e of some sort like JD said

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rods, pistons, t3/t04e 57 trim, 600 cc injectors, and a stinkin tuner