ls/vtec question
 

i am in the middle of a ls/vtec swap

b18b bottom end , with a b17a1 head

need to know if i can use the b17 gsr head studs,

also need to know if i have to cut the releifs in the b18b pistons


as a frined of mine just did a b16/b20 swap in his civic and did not do any thing to the pistons




thanks alot
joe griffin
nova scotia, canada

Re: ls/vtec question
 

No and NO

Re: ls/vtec question
 

b18 gsr head studs or bolts and a b18gsr timing belt should be the order of the day. While you're at it, might as well replace the ls water pump with a gsr unit...22 teeth as compared to 18.

Re: ls/vtec question
 

ok thanks,

as i stated befor , my buddie did a b20/b16 swap, he also used his b16 head bolts instead of the 1.8 gsr headstuds


whats the benifits of using the 1.8gsr timing belt and water pump, better flow for the cooling ??????


joe griffin

Re: ls/vtec question
 

you don't need to cut the reliefs.

it is a good idea to upgrade the water pump. yes it helps with the cooling

good luck with the build, i just got done building my lsvtec. send me a message if you need any help with it...

Re: ls/vtec question
 

You have to use a gsr timing belt simply for the fact that a gsr block and an LS block have the same block height. The b17 head is almost identicle to a b16 head, but in turn the b17 block (with the exception of internals) is also the same as a b16 block in height. B16 block is shorter than b18 blocks, so it's pretty much like building a gsr motor with your block/head combo. Your buddy with the b20/b16 combo did a no-no with using the b16 head bolts. They won't seat all the way to the bottom of the threads, and could eventually strip out the threads.

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the reason for using the 22 tooth water pump for the LS vtec is that the 17 tooth pump will cavitate (spin soo fast that it will no longer effectively push any water through the cooling system) at around 8000 rpms

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18 tooth ;)...I have 3 LS pumps sitting in front of me...all say 18t. My gsr and b16a pumps all say 22t.

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the only reason for your buddie cutting vavle relief is cause of the valves will hit the pistions..
for a real good LS/vtec site and building guied
best one:
How to build a "RELIABLE" lsvtec/b20vtec guide. http://b20vtec.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56400
Mild NA LS/Vtec Build http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1118097

both are very good build..

ps upgrade to ARP rod studs at the lease

wrong...19t or 19 teeth are on LS water pumps... ive counted the five i have
VTEC b water pumps 22t non vtec 19t use the timming belt that goes with your waterpump

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did the links and info help or are u more lost?

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Haha...you're right on the pump...just went and looked at the LS pump I have and it was double stamped (thought it said 18t)...counted them and it's 19...------' cheapo rebuilds :P

Werd on the ARP rod bolts. For $45 or so it's worth the extra insurance. And for a bump up in oil pressure, stick a spacer on top of the spring in the oil pumps's pressure relief valve. Oil pump itself from b18b's should be the same as gsr and b16 pumps from 94+ with the exception of a lower spring rate on the release valve.

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got anymore info on this mod...oil pressure is what owned my last lsvtec build

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It was a trick I found off Endyn's old website years ago. I'm looking over the site again right now, but I can't seem to find it. Pretty much it just entails removing the allen-key plug from the bottom of the oil pump and adding a spacer of some sort (i.e. a washer) to put more pressure on the release spring.

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makes sence ...kinda liek shimming a wastgate

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http://www.theoldone.com/components/..._oil_pumps.htm they sell them now....

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What about using a ITR oil pump? And I had some one tell me to use a ITR vtec solenoid?

Re: ls/vtec question
 

the ITR oil pump is the same as b16 and gsr oil pumps...the ls oil pump is the only diffrent one.
as for the solenoid. there the same....this is just a classic cause its a type r its better.

the type r is a well made engine balanced and blueprinted from the factory......

as for the lsvtec if you were to spend the lil extra when assembling it would be just as good as a type r, or in some eyes better...i put my lsvtec together stock everything lsbottom end 99si head on...and stomped my buddies type r all daY...

in the world of motor choise alot of people do diffrent things:

-PoorMans type r (gsr bottom end, B16 head)
-LS/vtec and B20/vtec
-sleeper LS/VTec (ls crank and rods in a GSR)
-Semi stock stroker b16 ( ls rods and crank w/ custom pistions with a higher wrist pin location)
-high compression LS (Pr3, p30, p72, PCT pistions)

Note: these are just some combos and all have the + and - to each...two key thing will seperate any engine combo from the other, THE BUILDER and THE TUNER...