installing head question
 

okay. I don't wanna search and I shouldn't have had to in the first place... but here goes.

me for one, whenever I remove a head I put it to TDC. I just do and most everyone I know also does this.

Now a friend of mine loaned me his garage space to work on my car. I had prior obligiations so I gave them the green light to proceed on wrenching it. They pulled off the head. When I got there to check things out, the didn't TDC the motor.

So my question is, what would be the best way to go about re-installing the head? I really don't want to degree the motor as I don't have the proper equipment and probably won't remember how to do it.

So what's your input.

p.s. I hate this POS B16.

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so the head is off the motor? Just turn the motor to tdc on #1 (you can just look at the piston or use the crank pulley marks), and put the head back on with the cams as close to tdc as you can get when you put them in. Im not sure if thats what youre asking so let me know if that helped.

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what he said. Jut put your motor at tdc. line your cams up with tha marks throw your belt on and call it a day... :8

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its just like putting it at TDC when its assembled. line up da marks foow

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Just like they said, it's a piece of cake. Put your engine at TDC and turn the cam gear so it's at TDC, install belt.

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There's an arrow on the timing belt crank pulley that lines up with a nub on the oil pump housing to let you know it's TDC. The #1 piston also happens to be at TDC in the same location. :P

Hop on icelord.net and download the Helms most applicable to your engine! The factory literature is most excellent, comes complete with pictures and will aid you in all things.

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cool thanks guys. I totally forgot about that I could turn the cams :1

everytime that I have been involved in yanking off the head without it at TDC, we would degree the motor. My buddy is really ---- about not half assing stuff and it has rubbed off on me. I'm amost tempted to hit up my buudy for his degreeing kit, but I don't wanna yank out the motor :P

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Center distributor, adjust cams to set ignition timing. You are degreed. :)

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This blows my mind.

You have almost 9000 posts and can't put the head back on your car.

Get off the internet and go work on your car.

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look at this noob trying to flame someone and ----.......

bikerwrench just get a rope and ------ hang yourself

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Don't make murdoc drink orange juice at you

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who you calling noob? I may not post much, but I registered before you did.


I have respect for Murdoc, He's been here forever, I'm sure I've learned from his posts. But if I asked this question I would get "flamed" for it. I just think he deserves a little ---- for posting something this simple. Line up the timing marks and install the head.

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You were asked to shut up once. Well?

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lol. it's all good guys. thanks for backing me up. :-*

dude actually pm'ed me and apologized. it's whatever.

mind you I posted this at 5 in the morning, I wasn't in the thinking state of mind, I was ------' irriated as it was. I just wanted an answer and thanks to the sexy folks at HMT I got it quick status :-*

secondly, I have OCD and ADHD. so I always second guess myself and am rather impatient. regardless of how simple it is, I would ask for another opinion. how bad is it? I even ask others to check my lugs to make sure it tight enough. not bad enough, I drive back home after leaving sometimes like 3-5 times to make sure I closed the garage. still not bad? I wake up at night and think i didn't lock my car so I go outside and check and not fall back asleep for a couple hours cause I probably have insomnia. I'm a little fucked up. :-\

thirdly, I don't like to half ass stuff. and when removing a head, setting it to tdc is the most half ass I would like to go. other than that it's hitting up my buddy, pulling out the degreeing kit, slapping the plate on the crank and doing it up.

nonetheless, I got the head on and I still don't feel comfortable about it. runs and everything, but I'm probably just gonna yank it out. Is degreeing that neccessary? probably not, just an extra peace of mind for me. did I not know of the timing/tdc marks? of course I knew, the motor is bone stock. it's the second guessing and I wanted another another opinion from people I trust which are those who posted usefull info in this thread. I even asked my friend that was there like a dozen times to look at the gears and look at the crank to make sure it lined up.

i try to live by "do it right or do it twice" as you can tell I'll be doing it twice.

and yes I know that degreeing it is gonna be a waste of my time since it's stock. it'll probably have the same results that the motor has now, but it would make me feel a little better.

I have no problem taking it on and off the block. it's just when it doesn't go my way, it throws me off

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ON a I-4 motor head should be installed with the crank 90 degrees BTDC on compression on #1 cylinder.

AKA all pistons at 1/2 stroke, no chance of ------- up a valve!

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It was an excuse to tell someone to stfu. None of us have any real problem with him, he's just no allowed to post for like a month or something. ;)

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degreeing kit? i've neaver hear of that. what is it? timing light?
ive also never pulled the head off my engine, or any other engine.
i will probably in the next year or so, when i get the scratch to actually build a motor

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I believe xenonog sells the Mike Belben degreeing kit.

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I need to learn more about degreeing a cam. I understand the process and I have the stuff, just dont have a clue what degrees I should be setting it to

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Going to buying on later this week for a b20vtec Im doing for a customer. Kinda excited to use it

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You only think you got the teenage poon before, chris. Just wait.

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hey mudy! you could have just called me and i would have told you what all these nogs said. Mista bone is right though. install the head with the piston below TDC so you dont ---- up any valves. Then Set Head at TDC and then the block at TDC. DOne and have a beer!

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have 2 beers.. one for me

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hows about a 6 pack? coronas FTW!

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cant argue with a sixer of corona but ive been diggin the dos equis latly.

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dos equis is cool but sol cervesa is better.

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ill be sure to try it this weekend