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Hyper Utectic pistons?
Anybody ever heard of these? My muscle car friends put them in their Small Blocks because you can run wicked tight clearances because they don't expand. They are a type of cast piston with a high silicone content I guess. I was wondering if anybody makes em for Hondas. Maybe Vitara pistons are made this way?
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Re:Hyper Utectic pistons?
Originally Posted by nonvtec
Hyper Utectic pistons
So they are still cast pistons? Eh, I'd have to skip on that one, but I've never heard of these "Hyper Utectic pistons". :-\ __________________ Best Car Insurance | Auto Protection Today | FREE Trade-In Quote |
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Yeah, they are cast but like 20% silicone I guess, I wasn't exactly sure on the spelling ;) Pistons only melt because of things getting really hot. A richer mixture and lower compression (8.5:1) would make for a nice little turbo combination. I am probably going to go forged when I build but my friends keep plugging these so I was wondering if anyone knew what they were.
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20% silicone? That doesn't seem like a very good idea? ???
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Yep I have heard of these. They use a gravity cast mold or some ---- like that or a pressure cast mold. They are good for V8's. thats why they only make them for v8's. I haven't seen anybody make any for hondas nor do I wish they did. I would rather spend the extra $100 on forged.
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i love it how people who know very little about something are so eager to say it's ----.
they are cast, yes, but are then subjected to a heat-treating process that makes them very strong (though their kryptonite is detonation; and don't drop one as it will break). much like high silicon forged units. on the pro-side: they are very thermally stable so piston-to-cylinder wall clearance is very tight (see less noise, less oil comsuption, less blow-by, etc). i had a very long discusion with a KeithBlack rep at sema (KB is the most well known aftermarket supplier of HU pistons) and asked him WHY DON'T YOU MAKE THEM AVAILABLE FOR IMPORTS?. REPLY (in my own words): because people are idiots and we know there will be a lot of failures before everyone in the import market learns to install them correctly (they require a large ring-end-gap or the top land WILL be broken in short order). a piston is a piston, V8 or honda 4. yes i have strong feelings about these because they have made me proud in many domestic engines. and they can be MUCH better than $100 cheaper than pos shelf stock forged (offset pins for one thing). |
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I think some mustangs have hypereutectic pistons stock.
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Originally Posted by Deluded
i love it how people who know very little about something are so eager to say it's ----.
they are cast, yes, but are then subjected to a heat-treating process that makes them very strong (though their kryptonite is detonation; and don't drop one as it will break). much like high silicon forged units. on the pro-side: they are very thermally stable so piston-to-cylinder wall clearance is very tight (see less noise, less oil comsuption, less blow-by, etc). i had a very long discusion with a KeithBlack rep at sema (KB is the most well known aftermarket supplier of HU pistons) and asked him WHY DON'T YOU MAKE THEM AVAILABLE FOR IMPORTS?. REPLY (in my own words): because people are idiots and we know there will be a lot of failures before everyone in the import market learns to install them correctly (they require a large ring-end-gap or the top land WILL be broken in short order). a piston is a piston, V8 or honda 4. yes i have strong feelings about these because they have made me proud in many domestic engines. and they can be MUCH better than $100 cheaper than pos shelf stock forged (offset pins for one thing). So you're telling me that a certain piston manufacturer told you that he doesn't make them for imports because the import tuners don't know how to install them? ::) Get ------- serious dude. That's the lamest thing I've ever heard. You're obviously domestic biased and are blinded by your "good buddy" at Keith Black. I doubt you ever had any conversations with them anyways. If you did, they propbably told you that to get your annoying ass away from their booth with your retarded questions. In ending, your mom is a -----. Have a nice day. :-* __________________ Best Car Insurance | Auto Protection Today | FREE Trade-In Quote |
Re:Hyper Utectic pistons?
Originally Posted by Deluded
i love it how people who know very little about something are so eager to say it's ----.
they are cast, yes, but are then subjected to a heat-treating process that makes them very strong (though their kryptonite is detonation; and don't drop one as it will break). much like high silicon forged units. on the pro-side: they are very thermally stable so piston-to-cylinder wall clearance is very tight (see less noise, less oil comsuption, less blow-by, etc). i had a very long discusion with a KeithBlack rep at sema (KB is the most well known aftermarket supplier of HU pistons) and asked him WHY DON'T YOU MAKE THEM AVAILABLE FOR IMPORTS?. REPLY (in my own words): because people are idiots and we know there will be a lot of failures before everyone in the import market learns to install them correctly (they require a large ring-end-gap or the top land WILL be broken in short order). a piston is a piston, V8 or honda 4. yes i have strong feelings about these because they have made me proud in many domestic engines. and they can be MUCH better than $100 cheaper than pos shelf stock forged (offset pins for one thing). |
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if you guys are needing stronger pistons, straight up forged should be the way to go turbo/supercharged/extreme nitrous apps... Hyperutectics are nice where you dont need the absolute strength of a forged piston but need somthing better than stock
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Yeah douch bag! Did you read that I said that wasn't for sure how they made them. I knew that they were a cirtain kind of cast. So before you start saying ---- about people go wash the sand out of your vagina. Dick.
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Re:Hyper Utectic pistons?
Originally Posted by Deluded
piston-to-cylinder wall clearance is very tight (see less noise, less oil comsuption, less blow-by, etc). (they require a large ring-end-gap or the top land WILL be broken in short order). |
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Yeah Steve, but only on domestics because import tuners don't know how to install pistons. ::)
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let me start with: ---- you. ---- you two times.
i've owned my own IMPORT shop for 10 years. before that i had the pleasure of working on top fuel, blown alky, and alot of other cool stuff. i've also contributed alot to the diy honda ecu community. keithblack had a problem with the domestic market when hu pistons were introduced because they require a different installation than most people were used to. hu design requires a lot of gap on the top ring because it will grow considerably more in an hu piston than a regular cast or forged unit. so tons of domestics popped the top ring lands off due to improper installations. in the years since most people in that market have become educated about the installation proceedure. basically, KB is afraid of stupid shitheads like you :) who will take no responsibility for their own ineptitude. so let me conclude by saying: ---- you again :) |
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one more thing: nice way for a moderator to respond. lots of facts...oh i mean profanity. and you really set out the facts to show how you are soooooo right in your opinion.
so: ---- you again. |
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Yeah, just go ahead and suck my cack you little douche. Your bullshit story about how piston manufacturers only selling to domestic tuners because they know how to install them is ------- horseshit and you know it.
Nobody gives a ---- what you say you've done on the internet so save your lame ass stories. ::) Take your piece of ---- cast pistons and stick them up your ass, bitch. __________________ Best Car Insurance | Auto Protection Today | FREE Trade-In Quote |
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why would anyone want to suck where so many dicks have been?
you're a real bright one. take your kidnergarden last word, i won't respond anymore. i remembered that there is never a two sided argument with only one idiot. bye...and ---- you again. |
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Yes, I'm the idiot who tried to say Keith Black only sells to domestic tuners because import tuners don't know how to install pistons. ::) Dumbass.......
You sure proved me wrong. ::) Maybe your "Import shop" wouldn't have failed if you weren't such a dumbass. Oh, and nice comeback. I almost cried. :-\ __________________ Best Car Insurance | Auto Protection Today | FREE Trade-In Quote |
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I worked for John Force, had my own import shop (yO!), and I'm Boyd Coddingtons dad, so I thought I'd come post on HOMEMADETURBO.
I love these people. ;) Oh wait, I'm a moderator too :o ---- ---- ------ LOVING ----- COCK GOBBLIN STOOL STOMPER BITCH TITS ---- HAIR SLOPPY USED CONDOMS (did I forget any?) ??? |
Re:Hyper Utectic pistons?
Uh, why Is every one bitching this guy out. He made a post that had a few valid points, and the people that jumped all over him had no valid info to add or any idea of what a hyper eutectic piston is. For NA a hyper eutectic piston is much better than a forged piston. what makes something Hyper eutectic is the percentage of it's constituents and the temp at which it is heated when formed. Whitey can tell yall I thought he said he was a mechanical engineering student.
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Re:Hyper Utectic pistons?
Originally Posted by fork
For NA a hyper eutectic piston is much better than a forged piston.
"Everybody" bitched this guy out because he is talking out of his ass and came off like a know-it-all dickhead. Like I said, we run boost on our motors so these pistons are ----. Why do I need to into more detail than that? Do you want the schematics, design, heat, pressure, load, and burn tests of each individual metal of each individual piston? Here is a start for you: http://www.lcengineering.com/TechNotes/TechNote41.htm http://www.beckracing.com/page11.htm Hypereutectic 390 refers to a unique aluminum piston alloy that contains dissolved and free silicon. The material can be T6 heat treated to high strength and stiffness. Non-heat treated 390 hypereutectic alloy aluminum has slightly less strength than conventionally cast F-132 aluminum. With this in mind, we caution the reader about the use of non-T6 heat treated O.E. design hypereutectic pistons for high performance. Silvolite and others do make replacement-type hypereutectic pistons that are worthwhile for stock replacement applications. Original equipment design is almost never suitable for performance applications.Shall I continue? ::) __________________ Best Car Insurance | Auto Protection Today | FREE Trade-In Quote |
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They are STOCK PISTONS!! Why do we need stock piston back in our cars?
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Re:Hyper Utectic pistons?
Originally Posted by Dr.Boost
Originally Posted by nonvtec
Hyper Utectic pistons
So they are still cast pistons? Eh, I'd have to skip on that one, but I've never heard of these "Hyper Utectic pistons". :-\ hypereutectic i think its spelled. they are mostly for high comp NA uses. they're in my small block... they are stronger than cast and don't expand like forged alum. no slap = longer life :) |
Re:Hyper Utectic pistons?
Originally Posted by Dr.Boost
Originally Posted by Deluded
i love it how people who know very little about something are so eager to say it's ----.
they are cast, yes, but are then subjected to a heat-treating process that makes them very strong (though their kryptonite is detonation; and don't drop one as it will break). much like high silicon forged units. on the pro-side: they are very thermally stable so piston-to-cylinder wall clearance is very tight (see less noise, less oil comsuption, less blow-by, etc). i had a very long discusion with a KeithBlack rep at sema (KB is the most well known aftermarket supplier of HU pistons) and asked him WHY DON'T YOU MAKE THEM AVAILABLE FOR IMPORTS?. REPLY (in my own words): because people are idiots and we know there will be a lot of failures before everyone in the import market learns to install them correctly (they require a large ring-end-gap or the top land WILL be broken in short order). a piston is a piston, V8 or honda 4. yes i have strong feelings about these because they have made me proud in many domestic engines. and they can be MUCH better than $100 cheaper than pos shelf stock forged (offset pins for one thing). So you're telling me that a certain piston manufacturer told you that he doesn't make them for imports because the import tuners don't know how to install them? ::) Get ------- serious dude. That's the lamest thing I've ever heard. You're obviously domestic biased and are blinded by your "good buddy" at Keith Black. I doubt you ever had any conversations with them anyways. If you did, they propbably told you that to get your annoying ass away from their booth with your retarded questions. In ending, your mom is a -----. Have a nice day. :-* remember the old twin turbo lt1 1st gen camaro on here... the purple one... hypertecnic pistons. lt1/ls1/ls6 i believe all have hu one year of foxbody stangs have hu, they switched back to forged then back to hu in the next gen to present. my hypers were $140 dollars for 8. the cast OEM pistons for my honda were $140 for 4. |
Re:Hyper Utectic pistons?
Originally Posted by Dr.Boost
Yeah, just go ahead and suck my cack you little douche. Your bullshit story about how piston manufacturers only selling to domestic tuners because they know how to install them is ------- horseshit and you know it.
Nobody gives a ---- what you say you've done on the internet so save your lame ass stories. ::) Take your piece of ---- cast pistons and stick them up your ass, bitch. |
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he also said PEOPLE are idiots, he said nothing about people who work on imports are idiots.
he also stated correctly that lots of v8 people had problems installing them, and therefore broke a lot and they recieved a bad rep. |
Re:Hyper Utectic pistons?
Originally Posted by random-strike
all he said is completly true.
Originally Posted by Deluded
WHY DON'T YOU MAKE THEM AVAILABLE FOR IMPORTS?. REPLY (in my own words): because people are idiots and we know there will be a lot of failures before everyone in the import market learns to install them correctly (they require a large ring-end-gap or the top land WILL be broken in short order). a piston is a piston, V8 or honda 4.
and they can be MUCH better than $100 cheaper than pos shelf stock forged (offset pins for one thing). We are running boost on these pistons. Understand? He said it himself:
Originally Posted by Deluded
(though their kryptonite is detonation; and don't drop one as it will break).
Originally Posted by random-strike
they arent ONLY SELLING TO DOMESTIC OWNERS, they're saying the market isnt great enough for them to make money selling 4 bangers pistons, im sure this goes for ecotec zetec and other superior 4 banger engines.
Originally Posted by Deluded
WHY DON'T YOU MAKE THEM AVAILABLE FOR IMPORTS?. REPLY (in my own words): because people are idiots and we know there will be a lot of failures before everyone in the import market learns to install them correctly (they require a large ring-end-gap or the top land WILL be broken in short order).
Originally Posted by Deluded
KB is afraid of stupid shitheads like you :) who will take no responsibility for their own ineptitude.
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By the way......
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it would be easier......
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to make all your posts in one post.
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Originally Posted by random-strike
you're really getting owned boost.
I know you're only swinginign on this guys nuts because he owns a domestic so I'm not going to get mad. I guess the point you're trying to make is cast pistons are better than forged? Is that your arguement? :-\ Yeah, I guess we're all dumbasses for trading our stock cast pistons for forged units. ::) Keep swinging off them nuts......... I've proved my point(in single posts)and I'm doen with this pointless arguement. Nothing can get past such a thick skull, not even the truth. :-\ __________________ Best Car Insurance | Auto Protection Today | FREE Trade-In Quote |
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A hyper eutectic piston is not the same as a cast piston. And no one said that cast is better than forged. Or that hyper eutectic is universally better than forged.
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EDITED by Random Strike because he is a moron and was proved over and over again in this thread.
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Boost, we need this information on HMT for our domestic people. (All two of them) :D
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---- sry, boost i meant to hit qoute not modify, i do that all the time and i didnt catch myself.... sorry :(
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Originally Posted by random-strike
---- sry, boost i meant to hit qoute not modify, i do that all the time and i didnt catch myself.... sorry :(
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---- you hillbilly. You don't know ----. You're domestic biased and will believe anything Dodge tells you. Go back to your barn and ---- some more sheep you imbred ----.
I have proved my point OVER AND OVER AND OVER again in this thread and you still have no point. Bottom line is you are trying to say these pistons are the greatest thing in the world when that is not the case. The are weaker than standard cast pistons. Like I already said OVER AND OVER AND OVER again in this thread, IF YOU'RE NOT RUNNING BOOST, YES, GO FOR IT, THEY WILL WORK FINE AS A STOCK REPLACEMENT PISTON, BUT IF YOU ARE RUNNING BOOST, GO WITH SOMETHING ELSE. Did you get it that time? ::) I'll try again: IF YOU'RE NOT RUNNING BOOST, YES, GO FOR IT, THEY WILL WORK FINE AS A STOCK REPLACEMENT PISTON, BUT IF YOU ARE RUNNING BOOST, GO WITH SOMETHING ELSE. Here it is in bigger words: IF YOU'RE NOT RUNNING BOOST, YES, GO FOR IT, THEY WILL WORK FINE AS A STOCK REPLACEMENT PISTON, BUT IF YOU ARE RUNNING BOOST, GO WITH SOMETHING ELSE. __________________ Best Car Insurance | Auto Protection Today | FREE Trade-In Quote |
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