girdle?
 

hey guys just getting ready to do a ls/vtec setup for my daily and was wondering, will a girlde off of a GSR work on a LS? not too familar B series ---- so any opinions-tips-input would be great. and because i know some jerk off is gonna say why not just boost ur car, ive had boost. i dont want to boost this car, its a daily driver and just want a little more out of it bc i have all the parts just laying around.Thanks guys

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i've got one off a b16 i'd sell ya :P

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lol well seriously are the ls block machined not to have a girdle?
u got a b16 head>?

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no but i have the cams and camgears and a girdle and some other ---- i'm taking pics of tomorrow
i have a b16 block with crank

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damnnnittt man, i really just need the head but send me some pics of the cams and gears if its not too big a deal. are they obd0? oh yeah, is there a diiff on the obd0 to obd1 b16 cams>? is one better than the other? thanks man

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i posted pics of the cams in your other thread ::)
they came out of my jdm obd1 head. i've read before that the first gen b16 had less power for a couple reasons, one of which is the cams. however i'm not 100% sure on that.

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o yeha thats right. well ---- man app. the info i need to come across a head so ill let u know

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you are in florida right? and you have paypal? :-*

i'll find you a bare head so you can buy my cams.

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hah yeha smartass, i admit tho the hazing was funny. it didnt bother me, i know how it works on here. yeah find me a head with atleast valves if u can. ill scoop that ---- off u asap. im trying to get this ----- up and goin >:D

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aren't crank girdles machined to the main caps?
the 3 h-series i've pulled apart all pulled the mains off with the girdle.


I had no idea all b-series ---- was THIS interchangeable. Have u looked on craigslist? There's lots of scumbag theives in central florida always trying to get rid of parts for cheap....especially vtec honda parts....just a "did u know" kinda thing :S

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hahah good thing ur in another state huh lmao. nah ive been on craigslist im only gonna rev it to 8500 max so i dont think ill need one

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i think you will need one

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ya im in a different state....the worst part is, my car isn't here with me. I just hope all my parts are still on it when i get home in 2 weeks ???

If u ever make it out to the "street rices" in orlando on Sat nights u might be able to find some spic with extra B-series parts.

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yes the girdle will work but I would recomend an alignment bore on the mains. Oddly enough I have a girdle for sale

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yeah ---- orlando its all bullshit go-nowhere-hondas. we got a good scene here in daytona..all domestic, but really fast ----, 8 sec cars n ---- lol

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it should work, i almost bought a type ARGHHHH!!! girdle for my LS, but then i heard of people reving to almost 9k on a regular basis without it. it seems that the redline for LS's was set due to valvetrain issues

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I run a girdle for the added strength,and security and I don't beleive anyone on here runs their car as hard, and revs as high at the power levels the way I runs mine. I never had a problem in that area of my car. you can't use what people say about one person revving to 9k without one to make your decisions, do they revs to 9k daily? anything can be done if you only do it for a second, ---- you can make a 1000whp on a stock deries but how long will it last? this is just like the old days with the block gaurd discussion, people just talk about one person's experience, and not of their own.
there are 3 cars here that I built here with the same exact parts as mine GE sleeved 84mm blocks with the exact same internals and similar power goals running hard daily with a GSR girdle in the block with the assistance of ARP main studs none have been align honed, none ever had a problem with crank while the girdle was installed. I say if it makes you sleep better to install one do it. I wish I could find a 5 main girdle.

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I wasn't trying to say it's not any good, but for reasonable power goals it's overkill. I'm sure you need one for serious power.

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I run my LS/Vtec to 9800 rpm on a daily basis. I rarely drive it nicely. In fact, I have been trying to break it just because I want to build something better.. ha.

Either way, i would say the girdle is not needed.


Mine has OEM rods, pistons, with ARP rod bolts and headstuds. It was re-balanced though.

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Mine had the GE girdle in it when I bought it and I have had no troubles with the bottom end. It only sees 8200 though and occasionally 8500.

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everything i've read and seen in person, shows the ls weak point is the rod bolts.
stock rods with arp bolts are fine, but with the stock bolts you are gonna throw a rod.
but all the first hand i've seen are on ls-v motors. so heads going to 9k aren't a problem.

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the oem rod bolts are fine. JD should be in shortly to set everyone straight on this as it seems to be one of his pet peeves.

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I don't know man, there are a lot of proven OEM parts out there, but I never had any luck with them, my first turbo car was completely stock did not last a month with my driving habits.
I never went back since then, don't wanna take the chance ever again on a serious build. I recently made 300whp on high mileage stock motor in a competitiion but I only did it on the dyno, tuned it rich with E85.

but in my serious motors I only use aftermarket parts, I am running a stock ignition thats about it..

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thanks for all the info guys.its appreciated, im still undecieded, so who the ---- knows if im gonna use one lol. i think its being prolly under 200 whp and it being revved to 8500(stock cluster full redline) i prolly wont need one, i beat on my ----, bit i also do it the right way...***With oil, warmed up, good parts** not like these idiots that leave our meet and beat the DAWG ---- outa there car before the temp gauge hits 100 degrees.

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i've seen 3 ls-v motors blow a rod through the block from a broken bolt. all 3 of those motors were shifting at 9200rpm. after he blew the 3rd one he decided to go with arps and hasn't blown a lsv since.