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is it possable to put a 4g63 in a civic? i know i would have to switch over pretty much everything, but waht would i do about the ecu? anyone know of someone doing this? any help is good.

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ehh i wanted to do that too. but when i used the cheery picker and put one in the engine bay it didnt go. the tranny hits the firewall and if i move it up i cant put any radiator in it. also u will need to modify the hood like the eclipses have tht hump so the timing belt cover doesnt hit. so hope this helps. test fit was in a 95'del sol

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That sounds like way too much work for a less reliable motor. Sorry for downing the DSM motors, but IMO they aren't as reliable as Honda, Toyota, etc...etc...

Are you just trying to go for originality or do you need a new motor and happen to have a DSM laying around?
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the only thing imo good about those motors are they have iron blocks instead of ghey aluminum.

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i probly wont do it, i was just wondering if it was possible, cause me and my friend were talkin about puttin his engine out of his 95 gst in my car.

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For what its worth, both my exchange students (from Japan) tel me that Mitsu is regarded like Ford, GM is over here. A step down.

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you have exchange students??

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less reliable? a high horsepower honda is really reliable.. ya right. the sleeves and internals are super weak and the axles arent too hot either. you can push an eclipse a lot more than any honda engine. but who's car costs $800 to buy, ha! honda wins again.

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like what was said before....DSM in japan are like GM/FORD vehicles here.....just like a GM/FORD you can push more power to a DSM motor also....and honda's are always the ones who get picked on by the guys who love GM/FORD vehicles....or pretty much by anyone who drives an american vehicle....same with the DSM drivers....they bad mouth hondas also....all i got to say it....anyone who doesnt like a honda...KISS MY ASS!!!!!!!

thats all i have to say for now

thanks

lewis

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I didn't read anybody say anything about a high horsepower Honda, muchless a high horse power Honda being more reliable than a DSM. A high horsepower anything isn't going to be reliable.

You paid $800 for your car? :-X :-X :'(
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Honda shmonda....if it makes smokey smudge marks then ;D


Two right now. Next years Vacation is going to be Japan...gonna save up some serious money, cause I KNOW im gonna find some cool stuff.

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Yes its was done, a 4g63 in a civic si 99

How to built a civic SI; forget the VTEC

The car with a bad engine; a vtec :roll:
https://vr4tt.home.attbi.com/si/sitop.jpg

1st: remove the Little crappy b16
https://dreamcarslimited.home.attbi....jectsi/p22.jpg

https://dreamcarslimited.home.attbi....jectsi/p10.jpg

2nd : Find a good engine 4G63 stroker 2.4 L
https://dreamcarslimited.home.attbi....jectsi/p15.jpg

3rd: Put it in the civic hood
https://dreamcarslimited.home.attbi....jectsi/p17.jpg

https://dreamcarslimited.home.attbi....jectsi/p19.jpg

https://dreamcarslimited.home.attbi....jectsi/p18.jpg

And play with muscle cars :twisted: :D

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hmm, different flavor there...

This'll be interesting....

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lol, you forgot step .5; have a ---- load of money on hand for all the custom ---- your going to have to make to get it to work. "Put it in the civic hood" is a bit understated i guessing.

;D

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wheres the tranny? i dont see no tranny to tht engine.

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Here's a Prelude with the Eclipse motor..


http://www.boost-up.com/hondamod/superprelude2.jpg

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HAHAHA look at tht wing. it looks like its been taken off from one of those WW1 planes. i think its much easier to stick tht motor in a prelude cuz its got lots and lots of space.

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Your calling a DSM a "Step down" from a Honda.....
You are smoking some serious crack. The honda is an economy car and designed to be like one. You want to discuss power figures... go ahead, you lose. Have you been inside an 2g eclipse for instance? The honda interior is no mach of one.
Just my opinion.

Nick
97Eclipse RS
Custom t3/t4e

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i love mitsu cars ( i have one now and had one previously), but i think honda quality is a little better...gotta love dsm power though

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I assume you also think Acura is a totally seperate company from Honda? like Mitsubishi is? ::)

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Im not saying anything, because I have no first hand exp. with Mitsu. I could really care less.

Was just passing on the opinion of my exchange students. Fun to talk about cars with them and what they think. They say that is the common perception of Mitsu in Japan. ;)

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I'll go ahead and say DSM is a step down from Honda, and yes I have been in a 2g DSM and I don't even understand why they even have back seats. You can't even seat a 4 year old in the back of one, let alone an adult. I have also tore an Eclipse completey apart and I can tell you that they aren't put together very well. In my honest opinion of course, but its not like I am going to convince you that Honda is better than DSM, and its not like you are going to convince me that DSM is better than Honda. It's a matter of personal taste and thats all there is to it.
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I'm pretty sure we had this DSM vs. Honda discussion about a month ago in the General Forum.... anyways, I agree with Collente as far as interiors go. My Civic feels like an american car with the distant shifter location. Of all cars I have ever been in, My favorite driver-centered interior has got to be the 95-99 DSM. It's just everything I could ask for. As far as the backseat goes, it's a SPORTS CAR. Granted, some are slow as all get out, but they weren't meant for 4-5 people like a Civic. The backseat is just wishful thinking. And I can see how they'd be a step down from Honda in terms of design and reliability, but not so nearly a step down as Honda--->Domestic. Let's face it, Japanese car makers just have higher standards (thankfully).

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I don't believe Honda is a step down from domestic. I don't even think DSM is a step down from domestic. I will agree with you on the driver placement in the DSM. I think the shifter is in the perfect spot and angle. Leaning over towards the passenger side to shift is a downer in my Civic. :P As for everyday drivablilty in the "real world" I would say Honda wins the gold when compared to DSM.
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You know... I was expecting a flame war (not my intent!)... But you guys really do kick ass. Anyway, I agree in terms or reliability the Honda owns... Nothing can really match besides toyota and thats a given. Anyway the only thing that I will have to disagree with is the way the DSM is put together. My 2g is a pain in the ass to do much on because it is so well put together. Talk about details.... Anyway. Happy boostin honda boys and cant wait till I get the chance to run one ;)

Nick
97RS

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DSM=crankwalk

Honda=reliably

ill go ahead and say honda is much better car than DSM, DSM motors are junk

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+1 for Honda. I'll have to agree that Honda motors are better than DSM. For example my cousin has a 98 eclipse, ---- looks nice but is ----. It's broken down sooooo many times. While on the other hand my civic for example had only a quart of oil in it, ran and abused that ---- like a cheap ----- for a few weeks before I discovered that there was only a quart of oil ::). Oh also a friend of mine with a 95 eclipse gs, broke oh so many times too. But I will admit that the DSM has a nice kick, but then again my cousin with a 95 accord auto v6 (only modificatiom a super duper racing intake :P) kept up with a the 95 eclipse 5spd. The nose of the accord was at about the door/fender of the eclipse. Pretty close race. The eclipse was half gutted and had a few mods. While the accord had a full interior, spare tire and me in the car. So... me likes Honda ;D

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95' and up gs and rs motors are chrysler 2.0 dohc. at 140hp . only gst and gsx comes with the nice 4g63 engines. 89-94 all most all 4g63 Me i enjoy driving both my honda and my 91 eclipse GSX

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95-97 DSM's crankwalk the most often. 89-92/93 or so pretty much NEVER do. also, z6crx...you are a ------- idiot. you made a broad ass generalization, and you are making the assumption of "all DSM's crankwalk" because people have blown the issue up. really, it doesnt happen quite as often as everyone makes it out to be. also, there is a HUGE difference between unreliability and high maintenance. DSM's, i will say, are high maintenance. you HAVE to catch problems early, or it's just a chain reaction in these motors. i will say that honda motors were assembled better, as far as tolerances and clearances go...but honda is very exacting when they put their motors together. thats why they last for so many miles.

another thing is that making power breaks parts. DSM's are easily tuneable to reach 350+ whp. thats on the stock bottom end. (which i have heard is good up to around 450 hp) of course a 350+ hp car is going to break more parts than a god damn 200 hp torqueless honda motor. c'mon, thats a given. also, since turbocharged cars have so many more details to go into as far as tuning goes, there is much more room for error.

for closing i will say this. i have owned my 95 del sol for a couple years now and have loved it. me and my fiancee just bought her a 97 GSX. i must say, the interior in the 2g is MUCH nicer than my del sol interior IMO (except for the leather seats, i dont like leather) and the car is a god damn BLAST to drive. i love it. after i had driven it for a couple days i didnt even want to drive the sol anymore. also, as soon as i get the sol boosted im going to sell it and buy myself a 1g awd talon. ---- honda, im buying something actually fast. dont get me wrong, there are fast honda's out there on the street...but what is going to be faster...something with power TO THE REAR WHEELS and an iron block that can hold a ton of power with very little internal upgrading, or a FWD honda that you have to build out to hold anything over 300-350 hp?

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http://l337images.com/images/picture1.jpg

Lets not argue over this, sure the 4g63 may have had crankwalk but the b-20-21 has shitty sleeves. It's all a matter of taste. The DSM's may have lil backseats but so does the prelude.

And as a matter of reliability i bet anybody with a turbo awd honda is less reliable than a gsr. lol but you can't compare them they were never designed to go after the same customers.

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You know whats funny? I have an accord that before I turboed was rated at 140 from the factory and so was my good freinds 95 talon. Every mod we did did the eact same and we could never beat each other in a race. Both our cars weighed the same and had the same HP. DSM's are just as good as honda its just a different platform thats all

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i have both a turbo charged mini-me motor pushing 8 psi. with a stock block and head. that little bastard will scoot like a son biatch. i also have a 95 talon tsi. and that mutha fooka will haul some serious ass. now on reliability i would have to go with my honda. she has never left me stranded in another state like the talon did my ol' lady. they are easy to work on and modify. now on the other hand i have recently spent too much money on the tsi. on the stock block and head i have put on the 16g killer turbo along with 255lt feul pump 650cc injectors turbo timer, dual stage elec. boost controller and a cyclone intake with an actuator modified to open up the other 4 runners at 2800rpms to build boost faster. i have not dyno'd this motor yet, so i don't know how much hp i'm running. but i can waste a cobra, vette, or anything running around where i live. i have not run into any problems with breakage, it's fun to drive and looks good. i love them both it would be hard decision i just cant make right now. :)

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well i had alot of hondas 83 accord, 88 crx si stock, 88 crx hf 2 days, 91 crx si soon turbo, and 02 civic si. they are both relaible even molfied. my brother has a 96 galant and it is nothing but problems tranny motor pieces of ----. if i had to buy i like the galant vr4 IF I HAD TO BUY ONE but that is only IF. i will just stick with honda.

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Too many opinions in here. It really matters you know ?

I like Honda, Ford, Mitsu, Nissan, Chev, heck, I like them all, they are all different and have their own issues :-\

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this thread is making me sick,

locked :P