d16z6 worth NA building
 

Looking for a cheap motor to put in so i can drive this damn car before I die!

Baby on the way, yadda yadda, trying to find an engine that has a good deal of potential building a complete NA buildup.

How much horse/longevity can I get out of a d16z6 in all acuality. I have a 93 del sol SI that had one in it so I have all the computers and wiring for another one. The engine bay has been vacant for a year and a couple months now and im getting anxious to drive it again. I wanted to put a newer engine in but am losing faith of getting something completed before 10 years from now if I wait and get a k20 or b18.

If not a d16z6, another engine that would be a decent NA build up?

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This is HomeMadeTurbo... build a turbo kit. Going all motor with a d16z6 would be way too expensive to make fast.

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All motor is very expensive I have built a high compression d16a6 that ran 14.0 but it was expensive and I was sponsered on head work and the rest was done by myeslf. I pulled the motor and have ob dohc zc's pistons,welded cc chamber dhr ported head,45 weber carbs, web regrind cam, dhr header. Cost well over 2000 invested and that is well below what the normal joe can do hoping to make low 170-175 so boost is just cheaper and will make more power. Oh I also have a mini me getting a t3 very soon also in my civic

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then what would an answer be knowing that in my current state, an FI scenario is out of the question? Then what motor should I start out with, IF i would keep it till its done and time and money, OVER THE LONG RUN, wasnt a problem. I know you guys jump on the backs of people for saying that money is not a problem, but if i were to buy an engine now, then i would keep building it using all resources necessary to finish it. Knowing that, what would be a good engine to start out building a COMPLETELY NA buildup. (the best power producing engine)

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Do you have 3000 for a b16a swap. Thats what the cost done right. Then add up cams,manifold,headers,throttle body,port work,dyno tuning,ecu,injectors,clutch,flwheel. You are well above 5000 and making maybe 180 with very good portwork. All Motor is hella expensive if you wan to build a real all motor car go h22/w an adpater plate running an itr hydro trans. Dh-racing.com has this set up for sale if your serious it's not cheap.

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Type R motor would be my vote for an all motor monster. You could also get a GSR and stick some higher compression pistons, cam, header, exhaust, etc...

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my buddy has a 12:1 c/r z6 in an ef hatch, nothing more than simple bolt ons and runs high 13's :-\

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so pretty much the b16a would be worthless for the money. Id like to get close to 200 whp with a fully built motor. knowing that, would the h22 be the best choice with the type-r trans? It doesnt matter how much work it would take to get it into the del sol and wiring as well. Ill make it work. But i would also have to figure that the type-r starting out at 190 bhp, prolly 170-175 whp could get to 200 alot easier than alot of other motors.

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why not just slap a turbo on the z6 and make about 250 whp for about 1/5 of the cost :P

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no go on the FI. that is out of the question. maybe later down the road but for now i have to stick with "the skys the limit" on a total NA buildup. Im just trying to find a good engine to start out with.

I just did some research on the engines and the h22 and c5 have pretty much the same stock power.

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14:1 c/r b18c1 with titanium rods, toda valve train, cam gears and cams, smsp header, straight 2.5" exhaust, aem cold air intake, 310 cc injectors, 110 octane, uberdata tuned would make a nice daily driver all motor set up.

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where the hell am i going to get 110 octane? wont 94 be enough? i know the higher octane is less knock but with gas prices the way they are, it wont be a daily driver!

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you can get it at the race track for cheaper than regular 94 octane at the gas station. just fill up a couple containers on race day to last you through the week ;D you can also make your own race gas with toulene. na, 94 oct. would be fine if you didn't run much timing at all.

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Why is out of the question? Price all motor stuff and find out why people go w/ boost. I grew up in the all motor scene in so cal hence why I still stick to it but for how much money I have poured into all motor set ups I could have a wicked turbo b. If you really wan to go all motor go to honda-tech besides me there isnt anyone doin it over here.

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So the question is best answered by saying that the b18c1 (gsr) would be a good motor to start out with by building up the internals and maybe, down the road, boosting it? If i am offered that option (boosting), I dont want to buy a new engine after all the work was done to another one. That was the reasoning behind this post.

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the 2 contradict eachother, for all motor, you want high revving high comp. motor with light internals, for turbo, you want lower comp. and beefier stronger internals. just get a b18c and leave the internals alone and just get intake, headers, exhaust, and get it tuned good to pull out a few pony's. it will be reilable and still pretty quick, then you can go turbo later. why is turbo out of the question right now?

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excellent - that is what I wanted to hear. Ill do that for now and it will keep the $$$ to a minimum.

The reason behind the no turbo is the GF. she said she'd kill my self! hehe little does she know how sick the car would be!! heh

anyway there is a kid on the way as well so... money is a little tight right now but needlesstosay, ill get the turbo one day. Im sure of that.

Thanks for the help. Anyone know of a good place to buy the engine?

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ebay or hmotorsonline.com

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sohc are good motors but are not worht dishing money into them i have been there sohc motors and realized they are a waste if u want real power in my opinion go wit a b series its less of a head ache then a single cam and for the amount it is worth it.Building a turbo on a single will cost u just as much or more as swapping and modding a b.Remember real turbo setup's cost money and they are alot of maintance.

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since we are on the subject of all motor Z6, anyone have a good uber .bin for all motor Z6?

or know where i could find one?

(its temparry)

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Did you seriously say that?... ::) Umm bad idea that trans. wont go to that engine. Just turbo your D16 it would be way easier since its already in your car.

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look......a turbo is going to be cheaper then building all motor. and faster. If you scronge around you can go turbo for next to nothing. i spent a total of like 500 bucks on the one I got. are you hearing me?

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You gotta figure out what you want now cause it'll save you money and headaches later on. Mean if you go all motor then come the time to go FI if you are then you might need to put different pistons if you put higher CR pistons in it or spending a bunch of money to do NA and turn around make it FI. Maybe just get some bolt-ons for now and no major work like bottom end internal. There's alot you can do with NA on that Z6 with just using different OEM items like swapping pistons, getting a bigger throttle body from a H,F, or B series for a cheap bolt on.

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Is anything worth building N/A?

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Oh yeah? How much does a complete B series swap cost nowadays? I can put together a mean ass turbo ssetup for under $1100. Can you get ANY swap for that much? What's more maintanece on a turbo setup than on a N/A motor? Change your oil on a regular basis and make sure everything is ok under the hood and you'll be fine.

What's such a big headache about SOHC motors? They are super cheap, easy to work on and produce plenty of power for the average enthusiast. If you're looking to make over 500whp, then yeah, go with a B series, but if you're like 99% of the people on this site, you're not shooting for 500whp and you're looking to spend as little as possible to go as fast as possible.

If I blow my motor, big ------- deal. A couple hours and $200 later I'll have a new one in it. Same thing with the tranny. Drop the clutch at 7000 because the tranny is cheap. :P Just because you jumped on the B series bandwagon doesn't mean D series are junk.

This is starting to get into a B series/D series motor war so I'll stop. :-*
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