B16A1 in EG
 

What would be the process involved in putting an older B16, they're OBD0 right? into my 94 DX civic? I know I would have to convert my hydraulic tranny to cable right? Also, would I need motor mounts. This is probably a repost, but I looked and couldn't find anything about it.

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Alright, I can answer some of my own questions, yes I would need motor mounts, now my question is how hard would it be converting my car to OBD0? not hard I guess because the engine comes with an ECU so, my car would then be OBD0? Alright, thanks for any clarification you can give.

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1.) Keep the hydro tranny! You don't need to goto a cable trans. Any hydro b series tranny will work for ya.

2.) You're going to need mount kit. These are like anywhere from 350-475 depending on who you get them from, and who made them.

3.) You're going to need a OBDI distributor. YOU DO NOT, REPEAT DO NOT want to reverse engineer your car to OBD0.

4.) You have a DX, which means a P06 is running your car. You can easily add the hardware on it to make it VTEC capable and chip the ECU to run your B16 purrrrrfectly :)

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It's always been my opinion this is a BIG WASH unless you're getting the B16A1 *FREE* or NEAR Free. By the time you scrounge the mounts and a distributor.. you've got a lot of the cash you coulda just got the proper long block.

The tranny I wont include in the price because if you only had a long block, you needed one anyway.

Just my opinion anyway.. maybe I'm way off base.

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no that was pretty good gimpy... anyways you will need all of the above.. but if your just getting the b16a1 motor then just get a hydraulic transmission seperately... the engine has nothing to do with what kind of transmission you use as either cable or hydraulic can be used but in your case use the b16. www.jdmshit.com has your mount kit for 300$ or so... hcp mounts. Lastly dont bother converting to obd 0 as its just your distributor that would need to be changed.. if anything do the ecu conversion for like 150$ and itll plug right into that obd0 ecu... best bet would be to sell that ecu and find an obd1 ecu

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Alright, so I should buy a B16A1 OBD0 engine, buy an OBD1 ECU, and a hydro tranny, all separate? Would an EX, or DX ECU, (92-95) work for the B16? Would the EX tranny work?

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you need a B SERIES tranny, the ex is d series still

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nonvtec... just buy a b16a2 full swap man.. the one from a del sol that will come with an obd1 ecu.. everything will drop and plug right in with a mount kit and conversion wire harness at the ecu
mike

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Right, the B16A2 is way easier and I know it bolts right in and what not. I probably will. But the B16A1 is almost a 1000 bucks cheaper. You can't blame me for trying. :-\

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I know what you mean nonvtec.
Here a B16A1 full swap except the mounts is about $1600 and a B16A2 full swap except the mounts is $3600.
:( for that kinda money i wouldn't mind getting the B16A1 and do a hydro to cable conversion. And here there aren't much hydro tranny's haven't seen one for sale since i lived here they are kinda scares here.

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del sol vtec was b16a3. a USDM b16a2 is in the 99-00si.

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When I say B16A2, I mean any JDM/USDM B16 that is OBD2 92-00, that is what most online places that sell them mean too.

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pssst.

92-95 = obd1
96+ = obd2

;)

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I know, but in Japan and as far as the USDM B16's go, the B16A2 was in cars from 92-00. The 92-93's came with cable tranny's off of the integra XSi and are 170 hp. The B16A2's with hydro trannys were OBD2 I guess and JDM had 170 hp, USDM 160 hp. Another complication with the A2 would be a cel. Wouldn't you get a cel for not having a downstream O2 sensor, Do people that put the OBD2 B16A2 in OBD1 cars always get cels?

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No, because they wouldnt use a OBD2 ecu :) Plus you can eliminate those o2 cel/mil's real easy anyway should be be a big enough crackpot to convert you OBDI vehicle to OBDII

Also hydro B series trannys have been around a lot longer than 96+ I have no idea when the first showed up, but way before that. I would assume right around when the EG's came to be.

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what the hell does all that mean! lol

first off. ALL b16 motors in japan are known as B16A nothing else.

JDM..
92-93 teg Xsi = b16a obd1 cable trans
89-91 crx/civic sir = b16a obd0 cable trans
92-95 civic = b16a obd1 hydro trans
96+ civic = b16a obd2 hydro trans

USDM..
93-95 del sol = b16a3 obd1 hydro trans
96-97 del sol = b16a3 ond2 hydro trans
99-00 civic si(r) = b16a2 obd2 hydro trans

EDM.. ---- THAT.

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Thanks for the info, ideally, I would like an OBD1 B16 JDM because they have more hp anyway, but that isn't going to happen. Wouldn't I use a P30 or P28 OBD2 ECU for the SIR2 B16 in Japan (OBD2) or the USDM B16A2? Or as Gimpycivic said before, could I just chip my own ECU, then buy a B16A2 or JDM B16 SIR2 and hydro tranny and be done with it?

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I'm going to lay this out real plain like: stick-with-the-obd-your-car-was-built-with-in-this-case. If you intend to use a OBDI or II B16A, you're in good shape. All you need to do then is add a few small things to your P06 to allow it to control VTEC and socket the ECU. Then you can just plop in a P30 program and disable the knock. It will lack a knock sensor, but Hondas knock sensors blow dick anyway. If its an OBDII engine, dont matter.. just means you wont be using the CKF sensor and a couple other things that dont matter.

Please stop confusing yourself! :D

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Lay it down brother, lay it down. :D

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let me put this down KINDERGARDEN style....
1-buy any b16 you want..obd0,1,2,3,4,5 whatever
2-buy a hydro B series trans. the one from your car(civic dx) WONT FIT
3- your stock wiring harness WILL fit on..with little mods for some wires and extra wires
4-IF the motor comes with mounts, they will GO RITE IN. no mount kits needed. your stock driver mount and rear bracket will fit...only the B series tran mount will be needed.
5- buy a obd1 distributor.
6- buy a shift linkage from a 94+ integ
7- use axles from a 94+ integ
8- you can use a p28, p30, p72 ecu...as long as they are OBD1. but be warned...power diff is major from the 3. also...the p72 requires extra sensors.
i think this covers most of it...now..was that easy....oh yeah............2400 will get you a FULL HYDRO b16 swap..let me know if you want that. im in cal....makes things easier. i hope this helps

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Incorrect, the del Sol was B16a2 AND B16a3 adn the 99-00 SI's were B16a2.

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In my world, a 5 dollar P05/06 ECU is worth the same to me as a p28, 30 or 72. Stick with the p06 you HAVE and just socket it and add the whopping 3 bucks of parts it needs to be a VTEC ecu.

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;D www.jdmhondaparts.com ;D

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I need to conver my po6 ecu, i need to learn how lol. I love that the 92-95 non-vtec sols HAD the vtec done to the main harness and all you need to do is slap a vtec engine harness in them:)