1.5 non Vtec in the 10's Whats with that.?
 

ok i was looking around NHRA sites..when i ran across this http://www.nhrasportcompact.com/2002..._Ezerioha.html
http://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCSt...-038E574FF29F}

well who ever built that motor has set a new standard.

that it is possible for 1.5 liter to do 10's and Non-Vtec to top that off.
i wonder what compression he's running. 13-15:1?
what fuel
what rods is he using... i know he's Using Arias pistons.
running Torco oil. i wonder if they reclearnaced every thing to run looser oil like 5w-30 to gain Hp..and RPM range.
i would love to see the Bottum end.
dry or wet sump?
mechanical water pump or electric?
is the block sleeved?
has the d15 bottum end been reinvented?
what does his intake manifold look like?
what engine managment is he using... ( better not be stock lol )

and to make matters worse... they say he's got Fullchassis uncut... well after looking at the Fiberglass hood.
CRXHF with FG hood how much of the suspesion was removed and replaced.
i know he's got allot of sponsors. don't mean he's using there product

..
falkhen

Re:1.5 non Vtec in the 10's Whats with that.?
 

Bisi has been around for years, hes a ------- mad chemist, lol. That block is Bored and stroked like a mother fucker.

That is actually his old setup, he's using another single cam this year I beleive its a F22?

Re:1.5 non Vtec in the 10's Whats with that.?
 

Here are a few pics of his setup this year

http://race101.com/images_03/battle_...s/DSC05267.JPG

http://race101.com/images_03/battle_...s/DSC05264.JPG

http://race101.com/images_03/battle_...s/DSC05266.JPG

http://race101.com/images_03/battle_...s/DSC05265.JPG

http://race101.com/images_03/battle_...s/DSC05268.JPG

Fastest ET is 10.03 @ 134

Re:1.5 non Vtec in the 10's Whats with that.?
 

that manifold is ------- mad... :o

Re:1.5 non Vtec in the 10's Whats with that.?
 

:o :o :o

Re:1.5 non Vtec in the 10's Whats with that.?
 

wowzers Carbys

wonder if those are the 50mm DCOE
i got set of 40's ;D

no header.. but also im thinking more of the ITB set up with 2003 GSXR stuff using the servo controled SCV's


at any rate still damn amazing ----.. carbed ass whoppen car.
any one up to build 1.3 cvcc with dual 40mm webers i got some just need gunie pig ;D 8) ;D

falkhen

Re:1.5 non Vtec in the 10's Whats with that.?
 

http://www.exospeed.com/pictures/bisiheaderfront.jpg
http://www.exospeed.com/pictures/bisidcoated2a.jpg

Without coating $589.00
With Jet Hot Coating add $140.00

sold herehttp://www.exospeed.com/
and herehttp://www.rsmachines.com/

i wonder if i can make somthing like that
abaz ( jeff ) what do you think. can you do it..


falkhen

Re:1.5 non Vtec in the 10's Whats with that.?
 

lol, I've never built a header before, just turbo manifolds. Bisimoto headers are pretty uniquie, I really like the design, An-R makes some pretty nice ones as well

http://www.an-r.com/Images/products/headers/stand2.JPG

http://www.an-r.com/Images/products/headers/dheader.jpg

Re:1.5 non Vtec in the 10's Whats with that.?
 

ok i want one... i got that kind of cash..

AN-R.com..

Street Collector - $480 with free shipping

thats can happen.. and around $500 for Really Kinky looking header is just pimp..
get it powder coated bizzare color... hmmm chocolate, with pink dots...not..
ceramic chrome with do..


well i want 2 turbos.. and put all that time in Autocad to design TT manifold that would fit in my damn car..----!!!

im just confused...lol
to old for that ----

if any one has Autocad
i'll send yout the design idea.


falkhen

Re:1.5 non Vtec in the 10's Whats with that.?
 

what kind of header is that guy running? that thing is bad

Re:1.5 non Vtec in the 10's Whats with that.?
 

my entire turbo set up cost less than that header

Re:1.5 non Vtec in the 10's Whats with that.?
 

It's a bisimoto header, He designs them.

Re:1.5 non Vtec in the 10's Whats with that.?
 

55 mm carb. There is old article from like 2001 in turbo I belive talking about the different style all motor engines. Bisi motor at the time was a 2.0 L stroked/bored 1.5 making around 225 whp. He now has a f23 accord motor running 55 mm webers ya he's making some good power 300 range not bad.

Re:1.5 non Vtec in the 10's Whats with that.?
 

:o the intake and the header is just sick.

does anyone know if he is using a stand alone system for engine management?

are the specs for his headers designed for top or bottom end power?

Re:1.5 non Vtec in the 10's Whats with that.?
 

management is the carbs

Re:1.5 non Vtec in the 10's Whats with that.?
 

that things ported like a ----------er. looks allot like a drag bike engine.. with that high of a comp ratio i wonder how he turns it over.. maybe 2 battery 24 volt setup?

Re:1.5 non Vtec in the 10's Whats with that.?
 

i've read in multiple places that his 1.5L engine was still 1.5L of displacement, although his geometry was changed drastically..

destroked like a mother fucker and mega big bore

Re:1.5 non Vtec in the 10's Whats with that.?
 

Well something has to fire those cylinders ;) I thought he was using tecII or tecIII ?

Re:1.5 non Vtec in the 10's Whats with that.?
 

Last time I saw he was still using the ecu to control ignition timing.

Re:1.5 non Vtec in the 10's Whats with that.?
 

lol...maybe he was using OBD0Edit or Ghettodyne ;D

Re:1.5 non Vtec in the 10's Whats with that.?
 

the crazy ---- is he's using the d-series tranny with the f-series motor, there was an interview with him in Honda Tuning magazine, he used an adapter plate to make it happen.

Re:1.5 non Vtec in the 10's Whats with that.?
 

Wow!!!
Holy ----. That entire engine has to be re-invented! Every last little thing had to be changed. --everything to the oil-squirters! wow!
I would like to see how/what he has built with this.

Re:1.5 non Vtec in the 10's Whats with that.?
 

Adapter plates aren't that diffcult to make. He had a off road company in Palmdale,Ca make it. They also made dh-racing.com h23 to b18 trans for their all motor street car. Thing is running atleast 15.1 compression proably way more,square port head. Motor is more like a 2.6 the accord motor he is running now. If you ever watch him at the track car has tons of torque and not very high reving. Long gears also hence the alot of torque.

Re:1.5 non Vtec in the 10's Whats with that.?
 

Whoa, we got alot of miss information floating around here. The D15 was actually 1.4l. De-stroked for a better rod/stroke. He's running carbs. I'm pretty sure the D15 was running 48s. The F22 is running something like 50s, but they are actualy too small. Of course he's running crazy compression, but he won't tell, he probably doesn't even have a static number. Um...that D15 is what came in the car from the factory. The car is still totally unibody. The F22 now is actually 1.8l. He started with a 2.2, and ran the 10.03. And that was de-tuned for testing. He's still trying to catch traction, his 60' is slower than the other main competitors. The F22 is running the same trans that was on the D15. I believe right now he's running a MSD 7al. Before his car was "full race" it was running 12s. That was a D15 with 44 mikunis, on a TMW manifold, a custom cam and head work, LS rods, ZC pistons, a MSD 6al, and was still running the ecu to control timing. Hmm, any other questions ask me, or he's on HT under the name "bisimoto".

Re:1.5 non Vtec in the 10's Whats with that.?
 

Dude that was never a 1.5 motor. They had a whole write up in turbo on his motors including the L Natural team. They were running R&D motors. He still claimed it was a 1.5 when the article came out and they had pictures of his damn motor. You can call R&D to this day and say I want the 2.0 liter d series block bisi ran and you'll get it.

Re:1.5 non Vtec in the 10's Whats with that.?
 

Bisimoto@aol.com I got most of that info straight from him. He also visits honda-tech.

Re:1.5 non Vtec in the 10's Whats with that.?
 

well this is all fine and dandy.

you see i don't Give RATS ASS WHAT MAGAZINE SAYS!!.
and some Bullshit artist that is pretending or it might even possibling be Bisi himself.. The Fact of the matter is this arguement is plan stupid... not here to argue about who said what..

and Chris to the whipping Post for being a magazine lawyer
25 lashes


lets just Keep to the Facts...

1. is it a D series or F series motor.
2. is that the current motor.
3. what other information about his car is there avalable.
please list refrences to Url's, Magazines ( title/Month/year )

its obviouse that the Header that Bisi sell's to the General public is nothing like there one he sports on his car. :-X
what as the phone number/Address/Url of the place that made the Bellhousing?


falkhen
nothing slower then a car with no spark.

Re:1.5 non Vtec in the 10's Whats with that.?
 

His new motor is definetly a F22 non vtec accord motor.

Re:1.5 non Vtec in the 10's Whats with that.?
 

those pics are of the new f series. the old d series had a sound resonance chamber in it. it was a really unique design. do a google search, you will see some old posts from the original d series forum (back when chasrex used to run it) where bisi talked about the setup.

Re:1.5 non Vtec in the 10's Whats with that.?
 

Okay so... I know that header design looks purdy, but what's the point? Is it so you have longer runners (equal length) before the merge collector or what? (as opposed to going straight down or something)

Re:1.5 non Vtec in the 10's Whats with that.?
 

yes the Longer the runners are the better in some cases.

the CHEAP off the shelf you buy from some parts place or order of the Net that are So called Name brand.

those are not designed for High RPM REV
those are set up for either to build more lower to mid-rageed power or upper Rpm Power WITH IN THE STOCK ECU RPM RANGE. now you can make more if you adjust for the fuel and spark curve. another note there also that way so they bolt in easly... its is well known fact that most people that work on there cars and don't do it professionaly Can be Numbskulls. ( hence ease of installtion. )

if some one handed that Pretzle for a Header i bet there would hundreds of calls asking what am i suppose to do with the extra pipe..how do i put it in???( like putting in a light buld it isn't that hard )

no to the Why its so important to have equal length runners that have Wide bends ( this why its so long ) becuase tight bends are bad.
there is particular harmonic frequncy that the exhuast makes
in this as the valves open and close they make Pulse's those pulse either slow down ( less power ) or stay the same speed until merged ( this is good ) or speed up due to restriction ( only good at low end bad at top end )
the tighter the bends the more inconsitant the pulse will be either speeding up or slowing down..
image 4 gears to make gears work they must align the more alignment that better they work.
thuse getting the pulse to align at the collecter makes for consitant speed and this inturn allows maxmimum efficiency.
and produces maximized hp through out a specific rpm range..

next here is the tricky part
your primarys the first part of pipe that comes out of the Flange of your Header. is such a Diameter to either Provide restriction or is open enough to breath more..
smaller primarys good for low to mid range operation
Larger primarys good for High mid range to Upper High rev range.. talking 4,500rpm to 15,000rpm range
dpending the application

and the part is why they so curvy becuase you got to put all those wides bends some where..





there is particular science for this.
i don't know enough about it..
but i know a good designed header when i see it.. ;D

falkhen