jinxy

never done that, but i've had the full effect 110 and no pee

ifly87

No i'm not saying lightning is harmless, If all things were equal AC would do more damage than DC that is if the frequency of the AC is 60 Hertz, which is the frequency of AC supplied by electric utilities to your home. DC is generally low voltage (24v or less) where as AC is generally 120 or higher.

That is not why, I dont know where you get your information.

Wow you know what AC and DC stands for you must have been reasearching all day. With DC, current flows one way through the conductor from (-) to (+) that is all, with AC current flows both ways, back and forth FAST, the speed at which it moves back and forth is measured called its frequency measured in Herz, in your home electricity moves back and forth through the circuit's 60 times a second or 60 Herz, ironically this frequency has been found to be the most dangerous to our body. AC is much more brutal to our tissues, in a study of over 300 cases of electrical deaths over 3/4 of them were from AC, and on the average had 40% more burn dammage.

Most of your information is very interesting and I like learning from you, but you have it wrong by saying its "utter bullshit" You can have electromotive force (voltage) present without current, and you could grab on part of a circuit flowing 500v all day if you wanted to as long as there was no amperage going through it. Amperage cannot be present without voltage.

WTF? voltage doesnt create current, it gives it its push through a conductor.

Actually AC is known as the death current, if you have any arguments with that you can ask Thomas Edison, as he is the one who said so.

Tom-Guy

EMF is not voltage.

No, as long as you provided no path to ground, or as long as the voltage source is a **** poor current source.

V=IR shows the interconnectedness of voltage, amperage, resistance. Or, V=I/G if you wish it in terms of conductance. Play around with simple algebra and see what you can deduce of the world around you.

ifly87

aah yes, ohms law, generally speaking you are correct. Although it is still possible to have voltage withou current.

correct, according to ohms law, figure that one out.

Yeah, I "Play" around with this simple algebra and mostly dc circuits everyday, its quite interesting actually.

You are right/wrong, I made a typo I ment electromotive force, and yes electromotive force is measured in volts.

EDIT: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromotive_force

d16forlife

First of it doesnt move back and forth.It moves up and down in a wave motion.Second its HERTZ.And it vary s from 60-50.This affects motor drive more than light bulbs and non motor driven appliances.

I bet most of those deaths were coused by high voltage AC.Why does AC kill more people annually than DC?Because DC is less commonly used in every day life.That was a nice biased fact you found.


How can voltage be present in a system with no amperage.Please give me a scenario relevant to that claim.
Even static electricity measures a few milli amps.I have never come across that scenario with your explanation before.If there is voltage present and there is a discharge(usage there of), that discharge or consumption of electricity will be measured in amps.No matter how small, it will be measured in amps.The electrical discharge of your brain can be measured in amps.

As far as the Thomas Edison comment, yes he invented batteries.They were static derived though.This was achieved by strapping a metal rod on the end of a glass bottle and spinning a leather wheel against the tip of the metal rod creating and gathering the static electricity.The metal rod would store it inside the bottle creating a battery.He was even knocked unconciouse by a series of those batteries a couple of times......---- Im not going to explain this to you...you need to read about T.E a little more.

ifly87

yeah ur right, I was just giving a general explanation of AC, the last time I used an oscilloscope was well....about 3 hrs ago. and sorry hertz wow.

The study said nothing about the voltage levels so it may not be acurate i'll give you that.

If you would like I can put together a circuit tomorrow, take pics of the meter and prove it. Yeah there may be a few mA but it is still possible to have high voltage with VERY little to no current if you want to get all technical.

d16forlife

Technical?hahahahaha.And guess what?That meter you will put on that circuit with no amperage will consume electricity proving that there IS amperage present,driveing eather the needle or the light on your meter.Electricity comsumtion is measured in kw,kva,and guess what amps and any fraction there of.

1/1000(milli amp) of an amp=voltage present.So your theory that you can have voltage present with no amperage is busted.

ifly87

Yeah not enough to kill a person, btw my digital meters do not take the current from the circuit to power on the display.

Tom-Guy

You have current as soon as you provide yourself as a load for it to drop across. My point stands.

Electromotive is not magnetic, so I am wholly right.

accordepicenter

dc is more dangerous simply by the fact that if you get some dc current flowing throught you you tend to clamp on to it and fry. That is very dangerous even at a "low" voltage. They say that of all the electrocutions and accidents that the most people are killed by 277v. If you have no current flowing through you then you will not be shocked or electrocuted. That is how birds land on live lines and dont get smoked, no path to ground or difference in potential. This is also how guys do work BAREHANDED on 765000v energized transmission lines.