Wire taps o my!!
01-16-2006, 09:54 PM
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Re: Wire taps o my!!
Originally Posted by buk9tp
fact from the articles are facts. and they all state there sources.. read..
can you refute the facts provided in the articles?
what about the interview with clinton? proves your first article worthless...
dates on the articles show otherwise.
how can it go away if the attorny general is gonna go before a hearing on the issue? this is the tip of the ice berg.. many more whistleblowers are going to come forward..
can you refute the facts provided in the articles?
what about the interview with clinton? proves your first article worthless...
dates on the articles show otherwise.
how can it go away if the attorny general is gonna go before a hearing on the issue? this is the tip of the ice berg.. many more whistleblowers are going to come forward..
those articals and all reporting thus far is speculation and heresay
01-16-2006, 10:02 PM
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Re: Wire taps o my!!
Originally Posted by random-strike
Also, i read and heard today that the big NSA wiretap NON-scandal, was only dealing with forgein communication WITH american citizens in the US.
that is why this so-called scandal is going away...
that is why this so-called scandal is going away...
if all there doing is tapping phone calls from people who call to or receive calls from afganistan and iraq.. and other known terrorist countries.. then more power to them..
but if there evesdropping on whoever they feel like. using unbacked tips with no evidence.. where no judge would approve of that wiretap.. then the end does not justify those means. what about the NSA destroying the records? is that heresay too? why would they destroy them if they thought what theyre doing is legal. and they destroyed them against the wishes of the cia and the fbi..
like powell said.. bush could have done it legally.
01-16-2006, 11:08 PM
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Re: Wire taps o my!!
Here's the bottom line on the whole subject. If you call iraq or any other country that we don't like, you could be recorded. Unless your talking about blowing some ---- up (like bukakees dad) nobody is going to be affected by it. These days, you have to be pro-active instead of re-active.
Since the taps are only on incoming and outgoing international calls, what the ---- does anyone have to worry about when calling thier freind down the street? It would be out of line for them to tap that call without cause, but if they didn't get a warrant and you said you murdered Mrs. Jones, they can't use that against you in court anyway.
Seems like the only thing left is the government looking out for our best interests against terrorism, and lefty socialists looking for another reason to hate the government.
Since the taps are only on incoming and outgoing international calls, what the ---- does anyone have to worry about when calling thier freind down the street? It would be out of line for them to tap that call without cause, but if they didn't get a warrant and you said you murdered Mrs. Jones, they can't use that against you in court anyway.
Seems like the only thing left is the government looking out for our best interests against terrorism, and lefty socialists looking for another reason to hate the government.
01-17-2006, 07:54 AM
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Re: Wire taps o my!!
Originally Posted by Stealthmode
Seems like the only thing left is the government looking out for our best interests against terrorism, and lefty socialists looking for another reason to hate the government.
It's ironic too, that the New York Times knew about this story and was asked by the White House to keep it quiet. If they're not doing anything wrong and working within the confines of the law, what's the problem?
So I'm going to skip the "conspiracy theory" bullshit, not trouble you to think about possible abuses or lack of oversight and ask flat out:
WHY DOES BUSH NEED TO GIVE AN EXECUTIVE ORDER FOR WIRE-TAPPING WHEN THEY'RE ALLOWED TO DO IT ANYWAY?
Part of the whole political process when it comes to Democracy is checks and balances and the Bush Admin. is slowly chipping that away. You have to wonder where this is going. I'm sure Stevemode and Johnny will berate me about how it's all a conspiracy, that I hate the U.S. and blah, blah, blah....
Saying that Lefty Socialists hate this country is a cop out that lets you avoid discussing these issues in any civilized manner. You can label someone a nut and that's the end of it. I don't hate this country, but it seems like people in power, without the proper oversight, have a tendency to abuse their power. Bush can listen to all the calls he wants, but what he also wants is the power to do so without any real solid rules or oversight, and that's what the real issue is.
01-17-2006, 09:31 AM
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Re: Wire taps o my!!
you want to know why the president thinks he needs a super secret wire tap ability is because the media, and the congress in attempts to bring attenton to themselves. let this information out. and the terrorists change their ways, so the information resource is no longer there. this is documented time and time again.
the CIA was listening to bin laden's cell phone... until the media reported it... and he stopped using it.
the CIA was listening to bin laden's satellite phone... until the media reported it... and he stopped using it.
along with al qaeda email, phone, etc... when the media reports the US is gaining information this way... the terrorists or enemy stops using that method.
the CIA was listening to bin laden's cell phone... until the media reported it... and he stopped using it.
the CIA was listening to bin laden's satellite phone... until the media reported it... and he stopped using it.
along with al qaeda email, phone, etc... when the media reports the US is gaining information this way... the terrorists or enemy stops using that method.
01-17-2006, 10:25 AM
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Re: Wire taps o my!!
Originally Posted by random-strike
you want to know why the president thinks he needs a super secret wire tap ability is because the media, and the congress in attempts to bring attenton to themselves. let this information out. and the terrorists change their ways, so the information resource is no longer there. this is documented time and time again.
the CIA was listening to bin laden's cell phone... until the media reported it... and he stopped using it.
the CIA was listening to bin laden's satellite phone... until the media reported it... and he stopped using it.
along with al qaeda email, phone, etc... when the media reports the US is gaining information this way... the terrorists or enemy stops using that method.
the CIA was listening to bin laden's cell phone... until the media reported it... and he stopped using it.
the CIA was listening to bin laden's satellite phone... until the media reported it... and he stopped using it.
along with al qaeda email, phone, etc... when the media reports the US is gaining information this way... the terrorists or enemy stops using that method.
