window weld vs pre made inserts
 

whats stiffer? pre made inserts like ES engine mount inserts or cured 3m window weld?

i was to stiffin my engine up a bit but not so stiff my car feels all buzzy and junky... im thinkin just do the side mounts with window weld

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I used PC400 (I think that's what it was), not the 3m window stuff. It works really well, stiff, and hasn't cracked or anything yet. fill them yourself, rather than buying inserts.

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ES inserts are stiffer.

if you don't want the buzzes then go w/ window weld.

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homedepot also sell urathane silicon for the bathroom which is softer than both

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I tried that window weld ---- and just made a sticky mess everywhere. I ended up buying jimfab motor mounts (all 3 lower mounts) for $110 shipped. It eliminated my wheel hop and my motor is rock solid. The car rattles a bit, but it's worth it lol.

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i see inserts all over the place, but every time ive seen them up close they always look wrong. are they just supposed to fit inside of the old motor mount or are you supposed to take out the old motor mount filling and replace it completely. ive used stock ones forever and they are getting pretty shitty now, plus the front tranny mount has been hollowed out completely by hard launches, so it might be time to replace the mounts.

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The only advantage that I can see to the inserts is the ability to remove them if need be. You can also try different combinations to alter stiffness or vibrations. I guess you could do the same with two sets of mounts(one set filled).

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is there a write up on the diy ones with the 3m stuff?

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I've had both ES ones and filled ones. The 3m stuff started to fall apart on the front mount after a year, probly from the heat and getting sprayed by oil and motor bits a few times. The others are still fine.

Right now I'm running inserts on the front and back mounts, and 3m filled ones on the sides. Car is a bit buzzier since I swaped out the front and back for ES ones.

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I have my rear motor mount with the insert and its alot stiffer than my side mounts which I filled, just doing that one mount cause alot of vibration inside the car

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window weld the inserts in, solid for cheap cant beat that.

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i've got window weld on my drivers mount just cause i tore it up like a virgin. i'd say that it's a little bit softer than the inserts, but it still works pretty well. car doesn't vibrate to hell, but still keeps it pretty stiff

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i tried to use the 3M ---- but it just got everywhere, but i got some polyurethane adhesive from home depot that is pretty stiff at first but after a while the rattles went away. pretty solid stuff. :y

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Go to a body shop and see if you can get some of the uerathane (sp?) body panel adhesive that they use. When i used to work for a body shop we did a test with the stuff first...took 2 pieces of 3/8" steel plate with hooks welded on each side, then glued them together. Let it cure for 48 hours and put it on the frame rack, and it snapped the hooks off instead of pulling the plates apart. I ended up filling my friend's 91 gsr mounts with the stuff, and it's pretty much like using the inserts, except that they never fall out. The 3m stuff is junk, and it's not really the same stuff that glass shops use. The 3m takes forever to cure, and most of the time never cures completely, only stays sticky.

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http://importnut.net/motormount.htm


I used this one because unlike HMT's they used straight window weld. HMT's tech article uses both. I did two of my mounts and they don't rattle, but a VERY little and has seemed to help with wheelhop. Rode in a (looked to be) all inserted motor mounts and about after the first 3 rides you get sick of the buzzing and rattling. Do window weld and only do maybe a few at a time. Problem is you can't store window weld. Open it and use it.



I WILL agree with Pat that you should wear gloves. I had a that crap on my hands for Christmas Eve church. LOL. Go-Jo doesn't do much. Paint thinner did a little. Dad of course used brake cleaner (who'da thoughtl, huh? ::)). So rubber gloves and try it. Buzzes and rattles WAY to much for a daily driver IMO.


JP

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http://www.hondaswap.com/forums/inde...howtopic=13781
That will explain which mounts you want to fill and with what. You can use different grade polyurethanes to get different characteristics (the higher the number the stiffer it is, he used 80a in his). I would just go with Prothanes (all 4 mounts not just 2 like ES) unless your a sissy.

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Prothane is def better. :y

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that window weld ---- is hella nasty. I tryed it and took to long to dry so I said ---- it and tried to wash it out (not a good idea). ended up just buying some energy suspension inserts for like $15. They will make your car buzz though.

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Im glad someone finally agrees. All these people want to use window weld which is ~$11 a tube and 2-3 days downtime for curing and time spent washing your hands. Prothane inserts were I think $16 + shipping and the only downtime was the hour it took to install. I could see using a 70-80 durometer polyurethane if you want a quiet ride due to the sand stuck in your vagina.

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Anybody else get a pop-up when they clicked that link? :l

I tried window weld and it turned out to be the messiest thing I've ever seen. I got ---- everywhere and pretty much completely covered my mounts in it because it was so out of control messy. :3 ---- that. It takes forever and a half to dry too.
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i got a pop up half way done the page.

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I used PL Roofing Sealant, some folded strips of a bicycle tire tube, and a small twig to stuff the sealant into and around the tube pieces. It wasn't overly messy, it cured fine in a day or so next to a small heater, and as far as I know they are working great over a year later.

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i've decided to do this just today, here's what i've got so far. did it to my lower torque mounts on my EG hatch, i did them 1 at a time, cuz i felt like it

Supplies:
3m Window Weld $9.99
Caulking Gun $4.99
Gloves
Wire Cutters
Old Pizza Box
Old Pizza
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/9210/box2uj.jpg
http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/5138/pizza9lu.jpg

Soaked em in hot water and a dab of dishwasher soap. Then rinsed with more hot water a few times, followed by a towel dry and a blow-dry.
http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/6683/clean8va.jpg

Taped up the side that doesn't stick out as much, so i could easily "fill" the mount
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/1294/taped6ag.jpg

Had some trouble with the gun at first.. ended up cutting off nearly all of the tip and popped a hole on the metal push part.. here's one of em filled
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/7554/filled2nc.jpg

oh, and people are joking when they say this ---- is messy.. here's the table after i finished the first one. Used 2 pairs of gloves, the wire cutters, a cheap pen, several paper towels and a peice of carboard.
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/9773/messy4io.jpg

I found it's best to fill up one part at a time, as by the time you come back to that part the level has gone down and will accept more window weld. Can't wait to stick these in tomarrow.. i've been having some traction and wheel hopping issues up the ass :3

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Let us know how they help your wheel hop. And which ones did you fill? All?


JP

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just the lower torque mounts, off the A/C bracket and in front of the Tranny, that goto gay rubber mounts with hella play, just under the main frame. cuz i still wanted to be able to drive my car without them, lol

oh, and i haven't noticed any difference without them :'( ---- OEM mounts..

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Whoever wrote that article is a ------- retard, he's obviously never seen inside an engine, yet he's writing tech articles about them.

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Man I'm suprised you guys have never heard of Mcmaster-carr.com

That place is the ---- you can get EVERYTHING there. Anyways get the polyeurethane from there it's good ----.

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?cmd=&id=1188960

There's a writeup on how to do it with VW mounts, I'm sure it's applicable to you guys' ---- too.

$16 for poly mounts for you guys? :S Our mounts are considerably more expensive than that (or are we talking a piece here)

Also, theres not really too much information after the first page that's too pertinent....Something that's not mentioned on the first page that's good to know, when I was into Dodges, we did the same thing with the casting eurethane, but added chopped up fiberglass into the mix to give it extra strength, works great....

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Half of this site was built from McMaster. ;)
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I used some PL-xxx from home depot. Couldn't find the window weld.

Bonus** It smells kinda like chocolate.

I let em dry about a week. I just left em on top of steve's furnace after we did em.

Having mounts to replace it are wonderfull.

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this is the only urethane ---- i could find

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they didn't have it at my local shucks that was just a small parts store. however a few miles away was a bigger, more industrial shucks. they had it.

http://img452.imageshack.us/img452/5...dowweld0el.jpg

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I just checked http://www.lightningmotorsports.com/prothane_honda.htm (down at the bottom). I know for a fact when I bought them 2 years ago they were no more than $20, now there $48 :S They were polyurethane inserts that go into the mounts, not completely new mounts.

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well, i'd say it's good. :y

After about 24-26hrs of drying (and a brief window of low wind and no rain) i reinstalled my lower torque mounts. they were significantly stiffer, but still moved a bit with more force. After I put them in I had to go for dinner with the family, followed by a quick drive over to my friends for a pre-superbowl party. and i discovered that Henry Weinhards is NASTY ASS BEER :3

So, anyway, later in the night, a little before i was about to goto sleep and was just getting back from drunkenness, my buddy who just got another EF hatch with a B16 bottom/B17 top, wanted to go for a race just me and him down the local industrial road. Now usually when I launch, i launch at like 2K and barely give it any gas until my wheels grab shortly after. Well, because of my recent muffler install, my car is silent as hell, and i had my music on low.. but still loud enough for it to be hard to hear my exhaust.

So, about 15 feet from where we started, im at 6K still skeetin tractionless. BUT- i had ZERO wheel hop. The reason i usually launch so low, was because any higher and i just wheel hop the ---- out of my car. But I actually just lost traction instead. It was a pretty cool feeling once I realised I had no hop, lol.

Did a few runs, and not a single ounce of wheel hop. So in conclusion, I recommend Windo-Weld for cars with Lower Torque mounts- I don't feel any of the vibrations in the car, it just reduces wheel hop significantly ;)

:y :8 :y :8 :y

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not like i go around doing burnouts all the time but when i do mash out and my wheel starts hoppin crazy it just feels bad like ---- is gettn wrecked. also when i let off the the gas it feels like my ------ engine bobs around back in forth if i dont always clutch it when i let of the gas, u know?

which mounts do i want to fill just to get rid of some wheel hop?

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what year car? all I know is EG/DC's have those lower torque mounts. one of on the front of the tranny going to the left, and the other is on the AC bracket going to the right. You have to get under the car to see them. EF's have those we're front cross member/traction bar thingies.. dunno much on how they work. and EK's are still new territory to me, my sister has one so i can take a look for ya if i get to it